Trump creates 'Denationalization' task force to deport U.S Citizens - Polidicks

Sure am glad we get to fight Nazis again after the world's grandparents already did that

We just need to pour millions of dollars into anti-nazi propaganda like FDR did in the 30s and 40s. Democratic governments today spend too much effort trying to not go after any one particular right wing ideology to avoid alienating potential right wing voters, and Republican governments actively stoke the flames of bigotry to rile up their base. We need to bring back the idea that Government Authority, Naziism, bigotry, and racism are anti-American

Do you honestly trust the Adminstration that calls to end all immigration to be honest about these cases?

I don't see anything wrong with this. All it is simply doing is enforcing the law. People shouldn't be scared about anything if they were honest on their paperwork. You guys are not even reacting with facts anymore. Whenever you see "Trump" and "immigration" together you just think "NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI" and start circle jerking eachother on how bad he is and how the US is now 1940's Germany. Don't bother responding unless you have a better defence than "ITS JUST A FRONT", "IT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK", "TRUMP'S GESTAPO", it's just as annoying as "MAGA" "HAHA FUCK YOU LIB CUCK" I really want to know what is wrong with this.

Alright so can somebody explain to me how this is anything but fascist, racist scapegoating? Because this is sure looking to me like nothing but fascist, racist scapegoating This is literally the first steps of a fascist regime, blame everything on some nebulous group of people, preferably ones with visible differences, and rile people up into a fearful frenzy to gain fanatical support Can someone actually tell me how this is not that? How this can be anything but flat racism for the sake of power consolidation? Because I have yet to find a single shred of a scrap of information that would lead me to think otherwise The conclusion I've reached is the Republican party is the official fascist party of the United States, and the Tinyhanded Tinpot wannabe Dictator is their golden boy. He might even get to be more than just a wannabe dictator, given how consistently and constantly silent and passive those Republican majorities are The party at large isn't willing to come out and just say it yet, but the writing is on the fucking wall They've actively cultivated and supported the rise of the alt-right and it's not exactly a secret what they stand for Actual real literal Nazis marched through the streets and the closest we got to outcry from the administration and the party running it was Tinyhands trying to 'but both sides' the issue by blithering about a wholly fabricated 'alt-left' while extending the olive branch exclusively to the actual swastika flag waving Nazis And these aren't new nazis, either. The only difference between then and now is now they're emboldened, and they have governmental support. The government won't come out and say it, but they absolutely do support them. The Republican party is the party of the extreme right And let's not pretend as though these extreme right, anti-government groups are harmlessly shouting in the streets. Far right groups are responsible for some three quarters of domestic terror deaths in the United States. I'm pretty sure that puts them in the majority for all terror related deaths in the United States, so the whole 'national security' angle rings a little hollow This post and the posts connected to it has some more food for thought on the subject Eternal reminder that the Republican party controls the government. Eternal reminder that the only ones who even so much as speak out are retiring or otherwise out of the line of fire with no more real influence. Nothing at stake Eternal reminder that they could stop Tinyhands at any time. We've seen their ability to obstruct and block and stall a sitting president before. We saw it for eight straight years of the Obama administration. If there was something they didn't want, they could bring the entire government to a screeching halt, and that was without a full government majority I think I'm allowed to call fascism now

The GOP rank and file aren't fascist (might be after the midterms) but they would let things like this happen rather than lose party backing or incur the wrath of the orange.

A useful tool to use against any political opponent whom originates as naturalized citizen. The beauty of bureaucracy is that at any point of time, a discrepancy can be found - no matter how small, it can be used against them. This process can be made much faster in the future as well, with additional laws and actions. By itself, a car, is a collection of parts that are not very capable. Together, they are able to commit to variety of processes.

The problem arises when you combine it with the rhetoric coming from the Trump admin, as well as their recent actions. Like the whole debacle with the camps. On the surface level you can argue that these people broke the law and should be punished, but that would be ignoring the inhumanity of their treatment (crossing the border illegally the first time is only a misdemeanor) and the administration's efforts to make applying for refugee status outright impossible. Then you look at the language Trump has been using, constantly associating immigrants and refugees from central and south America with criminals, gang members, and rapists. Using dangerously dehumanizing words like calling immigrants "animals" looking to "infest" our country. So when I hear that Trump is creating denaturalization squads to deport people, I see it as further efforts by this administration to demonize immigrants and fuel nationalism, because that lines up with everything else this admin has done with regards to immigration.

Yeah, just like if the Jews just filed their papers and wore the special stars, nothing bad would happen to them. See, we've seen this exact pattern before with pulling rights from a specific minority, labeling all of them as criminals and rapists, going after non aggressors to send a message that none of them are safe, and finally just putting them in cages. But people like you are just shrugging and saying "well its the law i guess". Know what the Nazis said after the war when put to trial with their crimes against humanity? "well we were just following orders". Just because a law is created, doesn't mean the arm of the law should blindly follow it. This is what a facist nation does, and justifying atrocious posing under the guise of order is dangerous. Now not even a month after this shit show, Trump announces a team to go after "fraudulent citizens" that have already immigrated. Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why such thing is being created "out of the blue". Trust me, its not because trump wants to enact justice for someone fudging up their papers or not reporting a FB account. Its because he wants to find every single possible way to remove immigrants out of the country regardless of their legal standing. Its why you are hearing stories of immigrants getting deported for crimes they committed 2-3 decades ago, or families being removed from their homes/businesses because they didn't file a paper saying they were there. Like for a conservative, you sure as hell love throwing money into a dumpster fire to fund ICE agents to attack random immigrants for the absolute minute shit reasons so they can unearth them and toss them back into a country they literally don't have any assets in. So, not only are we throwing money to track down non violent or criminal immigrants, now we are destroying their businesses that provide jobs/taxes/income. A+ idea from an starch conservative.

right right... totally not gonna be abused or anything, and thats not counting the fact that this in itself is already an abuse of power

It's a breach of rights, and your own constitution but conservatives aren't worried about that

Right now there are groups of immigrants living in fear, soon there will be completely legal hispanics that will do the same because of this danaturalization process could easily be weaponized to remove people who are subjectively deemed "undesirable". Do you think that it's fine that our government has communities living under oppression, too afraid to ask for police help or to get medical care because they'll be discovered and be on the next bus? Is this okay for America to have?

Waiting patiently for the clowns without guns to step up so we have the necessary goddamn numbers.

What are you talking about? Jews during the holocaust were subject to labor camps and executions no matter how cooperative they were. They were targeted arbitrarily for their background and religion. Illegal immigrants are targeted because they broke the law. Not because they are brown and different like you try to make it out to be. I don't believe they should be put in inhumane facilities and separated from their parents, but I don't think they should be able to stay as well because it might hurt their feelings. If Trump wants to deport illegal immigrants in a lawful and fair manner then I am all for it. If there is a task force created to review the legitimacy of documents, then I am all for it. If Trump starts to target anyone who is not white, then I have a problem. The bottom line is that you are making accusations for something that has not even been created yet. If they start revoking peoples citizenship because they did not report their Facebook account, then yes, I would have a problem. But I don't see that happening yet so I don't have a problem. I understand where you are coming from. I do think some inhumane action is happening in the detection shelters, but it is nowhere near a Nazi concentration camp. I was not ok with children being separated from their parents. Trump signed an executive order to prevent that now. I also think the long term detention is ridiculous, it's a waste of money, supplies and crowding up facilities. I think the process should be much faster. I'm not a Trump supporter, I just support some of his policies and even then not 100% of it.

They didn't break the law in most cases. They committed a civil violation. It is then handled in civil court. Which is why detainees do not have the right to legal counsel. Except we don't treat it like civil court in the other ways that matter. They are detained in internment camps and are not granted the right to a speedy trial or a trial by their peers. If it was, as you say, a criminal violation, then the system would almost immediately collapse because giving people the rights they deserve is beyond our current capacit ly by many orders of magnitude.

The problem is "soon". You're completely making an argument off of speculation. I find it very ok that people who came here illegally are afraid of being caught. That finally means we have enforcement. As soon as a fully legal immigrant is deported or punished, then me and many others would have a problem and I would not be afraid to fight for their rights. I have many friends who have immigrated here legally from Mexico, Somalia, Kenya, Iraq, etc. and I have absolutely no problem with them. Some of them even find it unfair to them that they had to wait to go through the system while people sneaking in are protected even though they broke the law. I want fair and controlled immigration. Just because I don't want illegal immigrants in my country does not mean I'm a racist or a xenophobic.

Is there no middle ground? Are the only choices "put them in camps" or "let them run free"? That's why people have problems with the way Trump's handling all this. There are all kinds of ways to mitigate illegal immigration that aren't mass deportation and imprisonment.

For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal or civil penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. This is considered a misdemeanor under federal law (18 U.S.C.A. § 3559). Are you saying illegals are being penalized as civil offenses and then being detained? I want to see a source saying that. Source

Entry is a criminal offense. The bulk overstay their visa. Which means they legally entered. Being undocumted is a civil violation. However even if they do illegally enter, they are brought to immigration court and are not convicted of illegal entry basically ever because, again, criminal violations entitle them to a different set of rights. I'm not sure what you need a source for. That immigration courts are civil courts? That we are detaining people that we are planning to bring before immigration courts? That we don't offer detainees the rights that they are owed if they are being detained? This has all been documented heavily these past months.

This is practically the definition of short-sighted. As many others have said, Trump's words combined with his actions paint a clear path down towards complete isolation of the country. The time to prevent it from getting any worse is now, not only after it's already been established.

Unlawful presence is a civil offence and is subject to civil penalties. One of the civil penalties is deportation. I would imagine that for deportation to occur, you at one point have to be detained. I'm not legal counsel, but I'm sure the practice of detaining individuals to deport them is fully legal. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Arresting people for civil violations is a legal minefield. You are depriving people of their liberty without any guarantee of a speedy trial or anything afforded to criminal violations. There is no due process of law because how can there be due process of law when person has no hope of defending themselves? It is a blatant violation of the 5th and 6th amendments.

"I'm okay with illegals being afraid" Cool so you think a child brought here through no will of their own should live in stress and paranoia, unable to get medical attention or seek police protection because of a choice their parents made? Good to know. "As soon as a legally immigrant is deported then I'll have a problem with it" Then why don't you have a problem with this denationalization stuff? Do you really think with how tedious and difficult it is to legally immigrate there are a lot of people who went through the process and played the system? Is it so easy to get through that we need a task force to deal with this issue? Are you simply going to take the government's word when a legal is being charged with fraudulent entry and is deported?

You said it yourself; Unlawful presence is a civil offence and therefore subject to civil punishments. The 5th and 6th amendments are not being violated because that only applies to criminal cases. I don't believe it is explicitly defined that you can not be detained or arrest for a civil offence but in most cases you wouldn't. I however, think that because deportation/removal is one of the civil penalties than I believe it is appropriate for a person to be briefly detained so they can be removed.

this some grade A unsourced bullshit if i do say so myself, and i SAY so myself. entered the United States under the age of 18; entered four years prior to enactment and has since been continuously present; has not been convicted of a crime where the term of imprisonment was more than a year, or convicted of three or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence was 90 days or more (with an exception for offenses which are essential to a person’s immigration status); and has been admitted to an institution of higher education, has graduated high school or obtained a GED, or is currently enrolled in secondary school or a program assisting students to obtain a diploma or GED. So, criminals are abusing a system that you have to be: under legal age, cannot commit any crimes over a year of sentencing or more than 3 offenses, and need to be part of a highschool/college education and graduate with a GED/diploma. What an odd way for criminals to get into the country considering they could just hop on a plane and avoid constant surveillance from the authorities and not be documented period.

https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2018-01/McCament%20Responses%20to%20QFRs%20%28with%20attachment%29%20%28003%29.pdf

Abused by criminals? Excuse me? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/facts-about-dreamers-meme/ No.

Wow, you're just unironically sourcing a hate group as your primary source. You're sourcing a site whose upper echelons rub shoulders with fucking VDARE of all places. "CIS has a long history of bigotry, starting with its founder, white nationalist John Tanton, but in 2016, the group hit a new low. CIS commissioned Jason Richwine, a man who’s Ph.D. dissertation endorses the idea of IQ differences between the races, to write multiple reports and blog pieces for the organization. The group also continued to circulate racist and anti-Semitic authors to its supporters, and finally, staffer John Miano attended the white nationalist group VDARE’s Christmas party in December." Heidi Beirich, director of SPLC’s Intelligence Project, summarizing why CIS was included on the SPLC's hate group list

And if you read it, it is pretty sad. Oh no, not thousand people. Whatever will we do about that fraction of a percent of the hundreds of thousands of people in the program. They are statistically more law abiding than Americans.

The data is mostly from USCIS but in a compiled list. It is very close to the data on other sites such as Snopes. I don't doubt the validity of the data.