ICE arrests man delivering pizza to military base, now faces deportation - Polidicks

Immigrating to the US is a nightmare, it can take months to years, if you go to the ports of entry to try and legally immigrate or flee as a refugee, you get told by border patrol to fuck off and wait months. Not to mention the immigration office will be behind the border patrol, so the only realistic way to "legally immigrate" is to go 100 feet away and cross the border, then go to the office. Not to mention the majority of mexican/south american people crossing the border like that, do it because they are literal refugees, and step 1 to get refugee status is - Be in the USA, how you get there doesn't matter. You then have 1 year to file for refugee status. The vast majority of immigrants overstay their visas because it's riskier to apply for citizenship, as most border states in the US deny 70-80% of mexican/South american applicants.

I can tell you they do personally, because the subs we hire have to report their taxes at the end of the fiscal period (which is near 7K). If they didn't, they would go after our boss for missing a giant chunk of income taxes on their records. The only way you would avoid it is by paying cash, which is hard considering majority of construction/contractor jobs require business insurance to cover damage to properties or people (which undocumented workers would prevent you from getting said insurance). Well when your entire argument is "well they broke the law so they need to go" when the law is literally crossing a border, you look dumb as hell. Especially when you didn't even know they pay taxes like everyone else (but dont get any government subsidies or services period). We had deportations before, just now they are actively hunting immigrants who have been here for more than 10 years and uproot them causing even more economic damage. Like you're either ignorant, or racist to think illegals are somehow benefiting from the government while also hiding from them. Also that little tidbit of "illegals make legals look bad" is more like "people are fucking racist and rely on an border to be openly racist" sounds a lot like someone on these very forums.

There seems to be some strange notion that since laws are ostensibly supposed to protect people, all laws must in some way be protecting people, and it must be right and good to follow the law and the lawful processes, and that to break the law automatically means you're a bad person who deserves only the worst treatment It's especially strange when you see it in Americans who have basically built an entire cult of personality around the founding fathers and their rebellion, as well as manner of minor personality cults for people who broke unjust laws and spat in the face of corrupt systems. Oh yeah, there's also that supposed American ideal for Justice. Things like the right to a fair trial and innocent until proven guilty and all men created equal etc. Slavery was legal, does that mean it was right? Some nations still have the death penalty for homosexuality, is that right? Just about every genocide you can name had a state authority behind it sanctioning the whole affair, making them all nice and legal, were they right? From the second Hitler took power, every step of the Holocaust was perfectly legal What the fuck does a thing being legal or illegal have to do with anything? Laws are a product of the state, they do not and can not exist in a vacuum, they will always be a direct reflection on the state and the time they're a product of What if the people penning the law are not doing it to protect people? What if they are not just and moral protectors of the people? What if they are corrupt, racist, power hungry, money hungry, violent, or authoritarian? I just get so confused about this 'they broke the law!' argument. It seems to rely entirely on a deliberately narrow, ignorant, and quite frankly naive world view It has to be deliberate, because at this point it's literally impossible to not know that there's a whole fuck of a lot more to immigration than just 'bad mans break law'. It's just straight up willful ignorance to leave it at 'they broke the law' and insist that's all there is to it Nobody wakes up and decides they want to uproot their entire existence and move it to a foreign country on a whim. Mexico is a fucking terrible place, by and large, and people have taken it upon themselves to take the risks to get to the United States, and they take even more risks to get into the United States despite the party in power so aggressively demonizing the entire concept of being brown For some reason, I never see the law and order advocates ever questioning why they might have done that. It's not exactly a small risk, coming to the United States. On top of the flagrantly racist party that controls at least half the government at any given time, just getting to the border can be a nightmare in and of itself. There's an entire criminal cottage industry based around just getting people to the border, not even over the border, just somewhere near it, to get in contact with the other cottage industry of the crossings themselves, which are fraught with even more dangers. We sure hear a lot about how many illegal immigrants make it across the border, but you don't hear quite as much about how many of them die on the way, and even less about how many of those were killed by the people who were supposed to be helping them But all this context isn't important. It puts an inconveniently human face on the problem. It's a lot less easy to turn it into a childish game of cops and robbers, where the robbers are just the bad guys and the cops are just the good guys, and nobody has to think about little Simon Gonzales sitting in a big chainlink and concrete cube crying his little eyes out while ICE agents ask him strange and upsetting questions in a language he doesn't understand because he is four years old because his parents took a chance on giving him a better life than the one he would have had in Cartel country and apparently that's grounds enough for him to never see them again This might look like an emotional argument, and honestly I wish it was, but this is just the flat fact of the world we live in right now Maybe right now is not the best time to be putting the concept of 'law and order' on a pedestal and making snap judgements based purely on a gut reaction to someone breaking a law

We've hunted down and deported people who have been here for much longer, regardless of "economic damage", which could be argued as depressing wages for the country, and yes, illegal immigrants make the legal immigrants look bad, because it simply feeds into the idea of lawlessness, removing the fact they may have paid into the system, it is in no way racist. We don't get called racist when we deport people over here, I don't see why it would be any different elsewhere. But maybe that's the difference, you've got room and we don't, you've got a land border and we don't. However the border exists, and it still remains a crime to cross, thus they broke the law, it can't be seen any other way.

Ah yes Boil "I just value the law" Rig, same guy who gets all excited about people planning to break the law to pop some baby Trump balloon.

At least I don't have to illegally jump any borders to get there.

However the law exists, it can't be seen any other way. Some guy on these forums said something like that I can't remember who.

Out of the two posts on that thread, I'm not sure how you were able to determine that I wanted to break the law when I clearly made no mention of it.

No, you just compare asylum seekers to fucking rabid orcs and say its just a joke. Get bent you racist.

Remember, Orc raids are just part and parcel of living in Middle Earth.

Wot are you on about. That "joke", while microscopically humerous, these are fucking people. Do you have no empathy for others? What do you think of native New Zealanders?

While some wouldn't believe it yes, doesn't mean I can advocate illegally crossing a border, especially not from generalized violence. We have the Treaty that holds everything together.

Maybe, of course let's be real. Also you definitely did imply just now in this thread you that going into a country to vandalize shit is somehow less of a big deal than illegally immigrating with this post I guess it doesn't matter if an illegal immigrant doesn't commit any crimes other than being an illegal immigrant because to you it's worse than a tangible criminal.

No, just pointing out you have racist backings to paint how shit your character is, which is pretty crucial to your shit opinion. You don't live here, you don't know why the people are fleeing from there, and you sure as hell don't have the humanity to pity people wanting to seek a better life away from cartels. Like I don't have to leave my country because my local law enforcement isn't run by gangs, and im not being threatened by local drug lords to pay their fees. Just to give you a hint, one of the sub crews' boss that i work with fled mexico when he had a promising local singing career because one day he was beaten, kidnapped, and had a gun pointed at his head the entire time. Another left because he was tired of being pulled over constantly by cops wanting a fee for the cartels. These are good people who just want to fucking survive, and my government is trying to boot them out just because they crossed here without going their completely obtuse and broken system (that trump is actively destroying and hunting down now legal immigrants). Im sorry if I value human life and actually brave people who are fleeing their homeland to survive on meager scraps and pay into a system they don't benefit from at all. Im all for legal immigration, but when the system is broke and a leader is actively attacking it, I support letting border hoppers stay.

most undocumented immigrants are just people that overstayed their visa though. Which should be a misdemeanor at best, not a felony.

In response to your post yes, however, I'm neither jumping a border nor travelling to the UK. Illegal immigration in sense of crossing the border is rare here, however they are still processed as with any other criminal.

Whether or not you're doing a crime doesn't change what your obvious opinion on how you rank these crimes in severity is. I don't know why you are bringing that up.

Over here, while you can appeal, you are for a large majority of the time deported. Totally Last I checked, generalized violence is not what would be considered for asylum requests. My view is that I'd rather fix the issues in their country than allow a constant stream of people running away from those issues, we are taking asylum seekers/refugees in from central and south america and the public over here has already begun to turn on the policy. So yes, I'd rather fix issues at the source.

Ok but until that actually happens the asylum seekers have to go somewhere. That's what asylum laws are for. You can't just use "i'd rather we fix their issues first which we totally will do we promise ;)" as an excuse to make asylum seekers eat shit in the meantime.

To be quite honest, I would rather hold them on the mexican side of the border through cooperation with the Mexican government and do all processing there, thus removing the need to cross the border illegally, and allow public opinion to return to them. The issue we face is that international agreements and how we cooperate with them rest with public opinion of the country, the more the public opinion turns against immigrants, asylum seekers, refugees, the more the process in which a government handles those people changes, which means that the lower the public opinion gets for people crossing the border, the worst it gets for those people and the people already within the country. By holding them in Mexico you remove the association with illegally crossing the border thus allowing public opinion to come back to their side, thus allowing the continued flow into the country. People need to remember that while we have signed treaties and agreements via the UN etc, that it still lies with the countries themselves in how 'well' they use that process they signed into. If you have been following the news this year and the words 'rules-based international order' then you'd know that in many western countries that is coming into question, hell the whitepaper my military released stated it was one of the upcoming issues for the future as people's lifestyles continue to either stagnate or lower and international agreements come under fire as part of the blame.

Thank you Boilrig, truly. Only you can defend the right of true-blooded, honest-to-god Americans to deliver pizza for two bucks an hour. Our pizza delivery heritage will not be tainted by the foreign hordes. Long live pizza delivery.

Well technically more people means wage depression, remove the people, raise in wages, while that's a simplification, it's the underlying theory. What you really want to aim for is to have this border crossing/asylum seeker system sorted before the next GFC, or else all bets are off the table as governments will lose the political will to take in people and provide them with houses/accommodation, money etc as they try and buy their way out of a recession.

It's also complete bullshit, nothing more than an abstract ideal of wishful thinking, and a complete aberration of misunderstanding how the market actually works. When the prohibition was introduced in the United States one of the prevalent effects was that restaurants began to hemorrhage profit; no customers showed up due to the inability to purchase alcohol and those who did would generally pay less since they had no drinks to purchase. In order to stay in business restaurant owners began to drastically lower wages to their waiters, essentially driving them into poverty, while passing the responsibility onto the customer with tips. Through your retarded, asinine, moronic, blind to facts, otherworldly, childish, incommensurately, absolutely positively absurdly undoubtedly fucking stupid beyond what words can express, logic, as soon as the prohibition ended and the customers returned, the wages should have gone up and there would have been no need for a tipping system anymore - in the absolute best of cases, customers would have kept tipping and wages would have gone back up resulting in a net increase in salary for the waiters. The reality however was that waiters never saw their wages increase and they remained well into poverty because, brace yourself for this incredible nugget of capitalistic truth, business owners were not willing to sacrifice newfound profit for the comfort of their employees. So take your underlying theory and kindly fuck off with it to your Island that's currently getting fucked in the ass by a foreign movie industry it depends on to survive.

Or, get this, maybe ICE should stop making it literally impossible to seek asylum "legally". You can't claim there are special correct ways to seek asylum in the US and then at the same time block anyone from using them.

I was speaking about the free market in regards to supply and demand of Labour, not one of government intervention that a made a practice illegal.

If you'd actually bother reading the article you fucking linked yourself you'd see that the reason illegal immigrants depress wages isn't because they overflow the market but because employers abuse their illegal status to lower the wages far below the poverty threshold. People come to the US to work, and US companies love to exploit that. The article's own suggestion to avoid the problem isn't to kick out all the immigrants but to legalize them in order to maintain their willingness to work (which btw is higher than those born on US soil, since they literally fucking go there to work and nothing else) while simultaneously giving them better wages, thus preventing any form of wage depression.

Preventing illegal immigration would solve of employers paying far below the poverty threshold, so we would expect to see wages rise, as I said, decrease supply, increase wages.

No it fucking wouldn't. Larger companies would keep lobbying against higher pays and find new ways to fuck over their employees. Large parts of the US economy revolve around ultra-low wages, and have revolved around it for decades. They'll look for any means to get workers on a low or non-existent wage, be it by employing illegal immigrants, prisoners, or just fucking over native US citizens by any means necessary (see: tipping).

So would you agree that removing illegal immigrants and preventing more entering, that wages would rise as firms compete for existing workers for the skills they need especially if unemployment is low. Illegal immigration is not the entire problem, but obviously plays a part.