Mitch McConnell was chased out of an restaurant by protesters. - Polidicks

This is, again, putting everything in black and white. Either you hate Trump or you're an 100% blind supporter. This is ignoring reality. In reality, radicalization starts with people who are on the fence. People like that are affected by events like this. Events like this push some anti-Trump people towards neutrality, and some neutral people towards defending Trump, even if it's just a little bit, and events like this pile up. Again, the only purpose your logic serves is to justify lashing out in anger while ignoring the way it makes our side look, not just to Trump supporters, but to people who are on the fence as well.

At this point, Trump supporters don't deserve pandering anymore. These people need to be shamed and shown that they aren't tolerated

Those who would sympathize with McConnel already are not paying attention to the news and so aren't really aware of reality of the situation to begin with. Under such a light, sure, I could see them being swayed to go 'what did that guy even do to deserve this, this is ridiculous' because they don't know who McConnell is or what he's done. That said, it is those exact same people that Trump and his supporters target - telling them exactly what I told you. They don't want to know 'the context'. They just want someone to tell them 'how it is'. I'm not justifying lashing out in anger. I'm justifying that those who are presently on the fence are either not paying attention or are only pretending to be 'on the fence' to begin with. Those who truly are ignorant don't deserve to be lashed out at, but I have no solution to them either because in this environment if they're not paying attention it's likely because they've chosen not to. People who have already decided to stick their heads in the sand in an attempt to be 'not on either side' are not going to be easily convinced either way.

The reality is that nothing you could ever do or say will ever convince the bulk of Trump's support base that he's a fucking fascist criminal. It isn't going to happen. The time for calm debate is over. It fucking failed.

Like I said earlier. Who does this help? It doesn't help people who are against Trump, they would be against Trump anyways. It doesn't help people who are apathetic because it just looks like a bunch of anti-Trump people lashing out in anger. It DOES help McConnell and his ilk, because it gives them an opportunity to paint themselves as a victim and his enemies as people who can't control their emotions. It's a complete lose-win with the lose being on our side. Do you really think events like this are going to make people like McConnell start acting any different? Really, how does this have any positive effect on our side?

what? people on the right are going to start thinking that people on the left are all emotional SJWs, and that people on the right are all oppressed victims? Wow, it sure would be terrible if they thought that. I guess you're right, we should stop this now before that becomes the dominant narrative!

So are you saying that the only people that exist are people on our side, and people on the right, and neither will ever change their opinions? There exists no one in the middle whose opinion can be swayed either way?

This middle you speak of has been unswayed by reports of children in cages being chemically restrained while being beaten, meanwhile others are being imprisoned and forced into labor in order to even be able to eat, make phone calls to their lawyer/family, or have toilet paper. I don't think they're going to be swayed by a group of people being mad at a distance to a republican senator out to lunch.

We fucking fight. We show the GOP that if they want to declare war on the rule of law, we're going to declare war on them. We shun, shame, and deride them wherever they appear. We make sure that every waking hour of their lives is filled with people reminding them how hated they are. We let them know that they aren't safe. And if that doesn't work, we fucking shut them down. We swamp them in so many people it becomes impossible for their fascist regime to function. And if they use force to try and stop us, we respond in kind. The alternative is giving up. If you try to continue the strategy of respectful and calm discourse, they'll just spit on your face and continue fucking you.

Maybe there were people who were previously Trump supporters who are now on the middle because of the things you just mentioned? If no one's opinion will ever be changed in this democracy, what is the point of doing ANYTHING? Everything is pointless besides voting. You might as well completely cease any and all political activity then.

As an alternative to fascism? Yeah, absolutely. 100%.

If they're only pushed to the middle by that it's not likely they're going to be pushed to not support Trump. If that is where they draw the line to become 'sort of uncomfortable but not uncomfortable enough to be against the admin' then they're just going to push themselves back into support of Trump by any means. We're talking about people who feel 'icky' about state-sanctioned child abuse, both physical and mental. Icky. Not 'oh god that's terrible'. Just 'ughhh, i don't like that'. These are not reasonable people. Expecting them to act reasonably would be your first failure in converting them if that's your goal.

So let's say you and your group of freedom fighters successfully overthrow the entire Republican government. What system of government do you install in their place?

Actually, most of these people are cowards. That's why they're letting Trump and Co. do whatever they like because they feel they're not safe - therefore anything which makes them feel safer they're OK with, up to and including authoritarian movements. If that admin loses its power, their support would vanish like plasma into the air.

Disgusting behaviour, I cant believe people are trying to justify this. Lol the tolerant left. Except if they dont like you. You're the real fucking nazis.

I'm tolerant of a wide range of behaviors, philosophies, and religions. You can not be tolerant of intolerance. That only ensures that tolerance will be overthrown by the intolerant.

Aw man, I only needed 'this is why trump won' to complete my Moron Bingo card!

"Anyone that doesn't pander to my lifestyle or beliefs deserves to be harassed." Nazi.

You don't need to replace the government to take control away from the GOP. You just need to remove the electoral college and distribute representatives according to state population. Republicans aren't anywhere fucking close to the majority of the population. It's the systems that keep them in power, not the people. Dismantle the systems that support them, and you dismantle them too.

No. Anyone who threatens to commit genocide on a wide-ranging scale, or threatens to commit it on a wide-ranging scale, or threatens to build an ethnostate, deserves more than harassment. They deserve to be deported.

https://youtu.be/nipNR5tJ_1w

go ahead helix snake, engage him in debate see if you can change his mind on even a single topic

Sadly, now that you've called him out said user is likely to instantly capitulate, because that's what victory would be here.

Nobody has threatened that. Stop making things up. I'm not saying I agree with it but there is a huge difference between a crisis around how immigration is being handled and actually wiping people out.

What do you mean by 'nobody'? What is the group in which you would say 'nobody' has threatened it?

So once you've created the precedent that a government elected *mostly* through democracy can be overthrown by force, what's to stop Republican supporters from doing the same to the next democratically elected government? I am not saying there is not a situation in which what you're suggesting would not be necessary, but there are clear downsides and it's not something that should be attempted until there's no chance of fighting back democratically.

If the threat of the intolerant nazi left is enough to get him to instantly renounce his support for fascism, then that's just a demonstration of the effectiveness of my proposal.

Aw fuck guys hes right, they are only half way there, no need to worry. Lets ignore nazis did the same shit with jews and minorities before they did the whole genocide part.

Are you strawmanning my entire, extremely clear position that I've maintained throughout this entire topic? Posts like this just show you haven't been listening to a single word I've said.

That Precedent exists in our own Constitution - and by the actions of our founding fathers. It is for when a Government stops abiding by the law and begins going after its own citizenry. For instance, if the Government were to begin ignoring the Constitution, those would easily be grounds to overthrow it to ensure that said Constitution remains protected and observed. Those who support that democracy - and also the law, if they still have any respect for it. I'd argue that it should be attempted before that point - but not long before it. If you fight at the edge of a knife, you're far more liable to get cut.