'Unmasking Antifa Act': Proposed US law could imprison masked activists - Polidicks

Trying to say that the very accommodating detention facilities for illegals is like internment camps for Japanese way back when they literally broke the law? Camps where children need to be separated from adults that accompany them because there's a high possibility that they could have been trafficked? Trump being propped up by a foreign nation whose "tampering" in the election literally just amounts to shitposting on facebook? Gutting a healthcare bill that was a bad idea to begin with? Christ, everything else on this stupid list is also problem which you've either fabricated, misrepresented or have completely overblown to scapegoat on Trump. The only thing I smell here is something being pulled out of someone's ass. That's because on the off chance that a literal Nazi commits a violent act in a public demonstration there are no problems identifying and prosecuting them. Meanwhile you have hundreds of masked antifa """protestors""" assaulting people left and right that have yet to be brought to justice. My assailants from February 1st of last year still haven't been caught and I don't expect them to. not really considering you can name or define anything arbitrarily and it doesn't necessarily have to be descriptive of what the thing actually is. Saying that Antifa is "anti fascist" is like calling ISIS a religious freedom movement. If you oppose the American Freedom party does that mean you are against freedom in America? I just think it's absolutely hilarious that there are people here who willfully turn a blind eye to the widespread violence perpetrated by Antifa and literally think that the people they "peacefully protest" to the ground are fascists. They latch on to one incident where a white nationalist (an actual one for once) killed a counter protestor at a rally that Antifa DELIBERATELY instigated violence upon. The reason why Antifa wears masks isn't to protect their day to day lives from persecution of their politics, it's to protect them from justice so they can assault people and vandalize everything in their path. I'll bet that the people here trying to defend Antifa haven't even seen an Antifa "demonstration" except for those who are actually involved in it of course.

Some other user brought up the fact that these Antifa protesters wear masks to protect their personal lives. Think of it like this: If you're unable to display your alignment with a movement or ideology, why're you aligned with said movement/ideology at all? ESPECIALLY in a country which guarantees liberties such as free speech.

I just think it's absolutely hilarious that there are people here who willfully turn a blind eye to the widespread violence perpetrated by Antifa and literally think that the people they "peacefully protest" to the ground are fascists. They latch on to one incident where a white nationalist (an actual one for once) killed a counter protestor at a rally that Antifa DELIBERATELY instigated violence upon and use it to justify Antifa's stance. The reason why Antifa wears masks isn't to protect their day to day lives from persecution of their politics, it's to protect them from justice so they can assault people and vandalize everything in their path. I'll bet that the people here trying to defend Antifa haven't even seen an Antifa "demonstration" except for those who are actually involved in it of course That cause these folks are malignant. There this book titled "dangerous personalities" by joe Navarro. in sheep's clothing by Dr Simon and 202 ways to spot a psychopath by birch. all the things you find "hilarous" is what abusive people do. I can list more source to backup my claim. they latch on that one incident as a way to dismiss people's concerns and change the topic. It's also a means to trivialize any ones view points that don't agree with theirs.

I think this bill would actually be somewhat okay if, instead of blanket-criminalizing obscuring your face for activism, it instead added some sort of additional criminal charge if you are charged with a crime while wearing a mask under the guise of activism. Though for all I know that's already a thing. As-is it's a very transparent move, yikes.

This doesn't ban wearing masks at protests, you can only be arrested it you injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate. So if you want to wear a mask and protest like a normal person and not throw shit at police and not break in shop windows and not destroy cars and other property you're fine.

It why one doesn't get violent to advance a cause in The usa. One fuck up and the government enact blanket legislation and then some to oppress everyone.

The bill, introduced by Republican Representative Dan Donovan, imposes penalties on anyone who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates” another person while wearing a mask or disguise. That's basically what it is. I don't know why people would complain about this, other than those who want to dress up as communists and beat up others, because it ensures the right can't hide their identity either which has been exploited with success in the past.

Are you saying you want to end polarization? I'm not sure what you mean and want clarification.

Sorry, I meant the excesses that have come with polarization

I don't want to defend this bill, both because 15 years seems pretty excessive (though in what case it would be invoked is unclear from the article) and because of the very explicit political leaning of the bill. However this part: "The bill, introduced by Republican Representative Dan Donovan, imposes penalties on anyone who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates” another person while wearing a mask or disguise" Doesn't in itself seem unreasonable to me (though that would depend on the exact definitions of those terms as well). Antifa as a whole doesn't get much sympathy from me, they seem like a bunch of thugs to me - violence seems to be one of their main methods, and I don't have a problem making it easier to catch violent criminals. Anonymity in protests is alright, if the primary purpose is protecting yourself from discrimination because of your political views - if you're using that anonymity to hurt other people, you're part of the problem.

I could see the the phrasing in "anyone who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates” another person" being really easily overreached. Mainly the last three.

Sure. Well if you tired of it then all I can say is the cause is the result of of 2008 recession and America is undergoing a !mental health crisis. alot my politics comes from my pass time of studying dehumanization, genocide, sociopathic behavior and causes of extremism. If you want to read a good book insights into the righteous mind by haidt is one id recommend.

"Threaten or intimidate" is intentionally vague terminology meant to discriminate against antifa and to let masked right-wingers off the hook.

A lot of anti mask laws were made to combat the klan. What do You mean "let the right off the hook?"

Holy shit, he's completely bought into it

Not only the klan is right wing

I don't like Antifa, but this is a step too far. Also let's not forget that a great proportion of these activists that cause trouble have been planted in by law enforcement agencies to turn them into violent riots so that they can be shut down.

How is pointing out you using the same verbal tactics as a sociopath proof i "bought it"?

People often wear masks to avoid being doxxed by loons the alt right keep records of progressive/liberal/left wing/anti racist/feminist protesters Martin Luther King was targeted by the FBI - the police/law aren't always the good guys and wearing a mask can help (or used to be able to help, there's probably higher tech solutions now) protect you from being singled out. Also look at how the law has been misapplied by the current US administration there is a kind of break down of rule of law - I foresee this law being used to arrest people who shouldn't be arrested. Eg protesters wearing Trump masks, peaceful protesters trying to protect themselves against tear gas, peaceful protesters trying to protect themselves against doxxing. The same of the law also reveals a kind of bias - this is made specifically to target antifa/anarchists/left wing protesters. Something needed/needs to be done about antifa (not the movement itself, imo anti-facism protests are more important than ever, but the violent and anarchistic bs) but this isn't it - this is, and has been designed to be, malicious and dangerous.

?????? children NEED to be separated from their parents because there's a chance they're trafficked? also we've got no plan to reunite them in case they aren't, but don't mind that, we've totally got good intentions trust me

I can understand this bill from the standpoint of trying to stop people getting away with violence and destruction of property during protests. It fucking sucked in Seattle where anarchists and others would trash buildings and businesses just to stir shit up and detract from real protests. However, the name of this bill clearly shows the true intention of squashing any anti-gop protesting. They can fuck right off

Very accommodating, just like a holiday in express where children are given the luxury of being drugged to calm down after being ripped from their parent's arms. Other features include, cages, a very healthy starving diet, adults who terrorize you by saying you won't see your parents again, no cellphones allowed, and an front desk alarm at 4am every day by the caring staff. Its just so wonderful there. Never mind the press/politicians are not allowed inside unless under strict supervision with no cameras allowed. Can't allow parents to be with their own kids, that allows trafficking. That's why a massive chunk of kids already are being lost by the federal agents themselves. Yeah, sounds like an extremely wonderful place, and totally not an internment camp. This fucking bullshit "they broke the law" is just disgusting and justifying being a massive piece of shit or racist to your fellow man by hiding behind the law as cover. Lets ignore we have to allow asylum status by our own laws, but prevent anyone from gaining it by putting agents at the legal passageways to block them from reaching it. Then you go on saying "shitposting on facebook" is not effective, when the "shitposting" was fake news being pumped into the election in social mass media directly by the Russians. Lets ignore the backroom deals that happened during the election with getting blackmail from the Russians directly to use against Hillary that trump jr. openly stated he did. Nah none of this is worrying, its just Russia helping us, they wouldn't have an ulterior motive. So, healthcare is in shambles, was in shambles before ACA, and the best counterpoint you could come up with the current breakdown of the system is "it was bad to begin with". Not even an "it was horrible and we need a better system" just it was bad, so making it worse is a good option. A+ thinking dude. Tell me what was fabricated or misrepresented, because you cannot hide behind "fake news" when your el presidente cannot get away with it either.

because gutting it without coming up with a replacement is a WAY better idea are you hoping people forget about that little caveat?

yeah because people on /pol/ have literally never went after scary SJWs for voicing their opinion.

Just keep chipping away at those rights to assembly and protest, that's how you radicalise the disenfranchised and just make the situation worse. At this rate there won't be another presidential before America goes full fascist.

If this was merely about the masks? Sure, then it would be just fine. It appears to be reasonable and applicable to all people regardless of affiliation, but that's absolutely not the case. This bill includes language that otherwise isn't present in the laws for hate crimes; "intimidate", "oppress", and "threaten". Some states already have laws on criminal intimidation, and those are reasonably defined so I wouldn't say that this would be a problem absolutely everywhere, but the problem comes with this being a federal law that leaves critical terms vague. In states that already have intimidation laws? This is pretty sketchy because it adds a 15 year term of imprisonment across the entire nation to what would, in some states, be 2 years imprisonment. All because somebody wore a mask. Unless a klansman is tried, this will apply only to lefties. But it could be worse. In states that lack intimidation laws? The maximum 15 year prison sentence still applies, but now the court is free to decide for themselves what constitutes threatening somebody. Depending on how this text is used, Nazis could definitely get away with behavior that would see Antifa arrested, only because of the presence of a disguise. If I am wrong, please do correct me; I've made what is essentially only a casual read-through of the current text for hate crimes, as well as the additions proposed by this bill.

Has Antifa killed anyone?

you could have the nicest child imprisonment facilities in the world, they'd still be child imprisonment facilities, what is the fucking problem with trump supporters?

Also to say ANTIFA has hurt or assaulted hundreds is dishonest, and a lot more professionals are much more worried with alt-right protests: https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/17/are-antifa-and-the-alt-right-equally-violent/ Marilyn Mayo, senior research fellow for the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said that statistics show that radical leftists have been dramatically less likely to kill people than their counterparts on the opposite side of the political spectrum. Over the past decade, extremists of every stripe have killed 372 Americans. 74 percent of those killings were committed by right wing extremists. Only 2 percent of those deaths were at the hands of left wing extremists. With the bill targeting ANTIFA, it can also target anyone the person in question disagrees with due to the vagueness. No one is applauding the offhand assault that happens, its an issue of a super majority protesting peacefully are labled as violent abusers of a handfull of incidents. I mean if you want to really go that far, gun owners should all relinquish their guns because of the off chance they might kill someone (im not saying they should mind you, just an comparison).

careful, there's lots of KKK conservatives that don't want to show their faces either.