'Unmasking Antifa Act': Proposed US law could imprison masked activists - Polidicks

Or thanks to the vagueness of the law, calling someone a bad word, or offending someone's beliefs. Its always been illegal to cause violence period, this is just attacking people who want to be anonymous to counter-protesters.

BNP and the battle of cable street is a textbook example of antifacism that worked. Locals organizing with allies to tackle facism when it first steps in. The trick is always to smash it in its infancy with the utmost force and to sweep it off the streets. I do not think defending freedom of speech for Oswald Mosley is a good look. Besides your preemptive dismissal of any AF historical accomplishment shows who you root for.

The police will have to prove there was intention to cause violence, so it's not that vague. Though before implementing something like this you must have consequences for wrongful arrests, which doesn't seem to be much of a thing over there. Ideally you can use the law to snatch rioters out of the demonstration before they have a chance to cause damage or turn the protest violent. I admit though that I don't have faith that your current adminstration has any intention to enforce a law like this fairly.

because intent is already abused here in the states with drug charges, and other petty crimes. Intent should never be solid evidence to put charges on unless you find the person planning on the act. But that would be premeditation not intent. Banning masks and throwing this charge is basically throwing everyone under the bus for one person being a dickhead. For example: Say if you just bought a big ass chunk of pot for yourself and its in a baggie. A cop can pull you over, and set up intent to sell and slap on another sentence on top of the drug charge.

Not to mention being at a location where you knew riot fighting was likely (from your posts you probably weren't a counter demonstrator...)

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html And that's just the girls. Black Lives Matter Facebook ad targeting Baltimore, Ferguson lin.. This is just one example off the top of my head. Russia's really just trying to stir the pot, maybe as part of a larger goal to weaken rival countries from within to give them an edge on the global front. [quote]If you are trying to say that Trump is literally hitler for making some disagreeable economic policy which the original poster was Don't put words in mine thanks[/quote] Alright, we weren't in a trade war as much as we were in a trade surrender by simply letting other countries put tariffs on us. http://www.ktsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/time-magazine-cover-062218-m.jpg Dude, literally just go to CNN.com or pay attention to mainstream media, there's like one every week and they're almost all written in bad faith and often twist the facts or just make them up. Pic related is just the most recent article off the top of my head.

You’re actually trying to make a case for Oswald Mosley’s BNP, an OG nazi ally. Cool. Never come crying again when you get your shit bashed in for supporting nazis. Next time stay dead. You utter crybully.

you keep talking about antifa as if they're some centralised organisation vying for power and that just highlights a fundamental misunderstanding of the whole situation. it's largely spontaneous.

The Battle of Cable Street has nothing to do with the failure of fascism in Britain. The reason liberalism stayed strong in the Western democracies while Europe was mostly divided between social-democracy, fascism or monarchy, and communism has to do with the entrenchment of democratic traditions and constitutional government backed up by a well-off middle. Militant antifascism in the way you describe it has never worked. In Germany the radicalism kept the social-democrats alienated from a united front, it pushed the conservatives to view the nazis as a source of temporary order, and Allied distrust of the USSR it was connected to fed a policy of appeasement because they too viewed the far-left as a greater threat. Similarly, in Spain, radicalism split the left and alienated the Allies from supporting the republicans. That's nevermind the fact there was considerable overlap between fascists and antifascists, with a number of far-left lower class people joining the brownshirts depending on the balance of politics. The only time the far-left made any sort of contribution was in the resistance, which is to say they were only relevant in the shadow of a greater army. They do not win battles on their own and they otherwise consistently lose, and they hamper the left electorally because their spectacle with the far-right appears to everyone else like lower class people eating each other and destabilizing society.

The reason liberalism stayed strong in the Western democracies while Europe was mostly divided between social-democracy, fascism or monarchy, and communism has to do with the entrenchment of democratic traditions and constitutional government backed up by a well-off middle. Perhaps I am too far entranched into a worldview that considers facism an offspring of capitalism in crisis times to discern this quality of western democracies. By chance, do you have any literature to offer on the defeat of facism in england and the us in the 20th century? If there's a nonviolent solution that actually works, we're better off reading about it extensively there and then.

While it's a shitty law. Antifa aren't the most friend group. You'll often see them charging police at protests in the Melbourne and as a result the police have to often completely shut down roads and surrounding streets to prevent their violence from escalating and hurting the general public.

So I did some research on this. There's actually already a law outlawing KKK hoods for the purposes of crime. This does the same thing for the left. It's also not needed, because said law mentioned earlier has been used on far-left protesters before. This bill is nothing.

But this law has vague notions for intent. Kkk law has no such basis. This law allows anyone nearby who had a mask be considered guilty of crimes they did no do or participate in. Thats whats wrong with the bill, plus 15 years is atrocious.

Violent right wing protestors cover their faces too. This law effects them as well, because they (ironically enough) use sorta-similar tactics. When searching for this alt-knight dude as an example, I've seen shit telling people to dress up as him if they want to join the fight. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/259570/12b6fa04-6cbb-4fea-ac7b-6e2e0c426177/l5l4z52b3tjy.jpg But more importantly this bill is useless assuming it even passes because such laws already exist, originally intended for use against the KKK but have also been used against antifas too

It doesn't matter which side, punishing people for wearing a mask is cracking down on general protesting. You said theres a law for wearing a mask while committing a crime, this is for intent which opens a massive door to abuse. And the name of the bill and the people pushing it clearly shows the purpose why. Like can you just not read and see the implications as to why holding intent as a basis for a federal law can be interpreted in any way the law deems accurate. My friend has an Canadian anarchist pamphlet that already shows how fuck it is with the same intent law. They were protesting when some dickhead smashed some windows, so the entire group was arrested and charged for the same law shown here for wearing a mask with the intent to cause destruction of property. Its literally thought crime with no evidence to back your reasoning.

According to a stunning Fusion investigation, 80 percent of women and girls crossing into the U.S. by way of Mexico are raped during their journey. unaccompanied minors But while many of these girls are fleeing their homes because of fears of being sexually assaulted, according to the UNHCR, they are still meeting that same fate on their journey to freedom. Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials, according to Fusion. Huh, it's almost like you didn't bother reading your own source. Literally nothing in that article suggests that the issues stem from family members so I don't see how them being in danger of being raped during their journey here by various unrelated people is somehow justification for separating them from their families. You're going to have to elaborate on that one for me.

As if this law isn’t vague enough to be abused by whichever political party is in power. Vague restrictions of any kind are a horrible idea. Sure MAYBE you might get the chance to have the charge dismissed in court, after being forcibly removed from protesting, arrested, and paying ridiculous legal fees just to be acquitted of a bullshit charge with no compensation. This will just be used to shut down any protests the government doesn’t like (as if that wasn’t already easy enough for them). This is just another dangerous authoritarian law being pushed through under the guise of “it’s for your own safety” to make it easier to identify and intimidate political dissenters. Even if on paper this law doesn’t ban the practice of concealing your identity in a protest, in practice you KNOW this is going to be used that way by police departments who have an agenda. The whole point of this bill is to dissuade anyone from protesting by giving law enforcement an excuse to arrest anyone who tries to conceal their identity during a protest. They’ll argue that literally anything you do during a protest is “intimidating and aggressive behavior”, because large groups of angry people in masks are naturally intimidating. There’s no practical way NOT to be intimidating when protesting with masks in groups of large people. This bill is ensuring the only way you can viably protest is to make yourself vulnerable to retaliation.

Is this how law is written? You gotta look out for people's political leanings? Every bill has to have a redundant second version, why? Of course, that's not true, but the "why" still stands for this bill. If it was nothing, it wouldn't have been introduced

Because we don't necessarily know if they're actually family, that's the thing. I was under the impression that parents were being sent back separate from the children as part of this policy but after rereading this policy seems to be referring to detainment only. In any case it's a moot point as Trump already started having them be detained together as soon as it became an issue, and as long as they're under detention there should be minimal risk for the children. I still believe that we need a policy in place that makes us check whether the relatives are actually relatives before sending them back. This detracts from my point how? The Russians are still looking to stir the political pot any way they can and they ARE playing both sides. Russian trolls organized 2 sides of protest, says Senate Intel C.. Because the original comment was him defending antifa who has declared the current administration "nazis" and in that same post he talks about the nazi killing some antifa girl incident and all things considered seems to be suggesting that antifa is right in their assertion? Then you come in and are defending him on this, am I not justified in thinking that perhaps you also actually believe the current administration is fascist? And that's why I stated it conditionally, because I couldn't tell if you actually were or not. In a way I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. According to U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross, “The EU charges a 10 percent tariff on imported American cars, while the U.S. imposes only a 2.5 percent tariff on imported European cars. Today Europe exports 1.14 million automobiles to the U.S., nearly four times as many as the U.S. exports to Europe. China, which is the world’s largest automobile market, has a 25 percent tariff on imported vehicles…” including American-made Cadillacs. The American-made Jeep Grand Cherokee costs $27,490 at U.S. dealerships and costs at least $85,000 in China. Even higher tariffs are applied to U.S. luxury vehicles exported to China. http://www.wnd.com/2018/03/why-u-s-steel-and-aluminum-import-tariffs-make-sense/ I had a better article on this but the general idea is that the US has had tariffs on our exports by foreign countries that have been in place for a long time already. Where is the outrage for that? Yes, but yellow journalism is, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with calling it out when we see it. I joined this forum in winter of 2010. I'm not surprised you forgot about me since I've always been a blue user but I remember you because you were a moderator IIRC and unlike some other former moderators on this forum for the most part you didn't step on my toes and I didn't seem to step on yours, so I thought I'd entertain your points in this thread. People who were active in SH and Mass Debate probably would remember that I was pretty libertarian at that time and have gone on record on this very forum saying that I appreciated certain gestures from Obama, or that he wasn't that bad of a guy. I believe I also stated at some point on this forum that I'd sooner vote for Hillary than Donald Trump some time during primary campagins in 2015 because that honestly was my sentiment back then as a Rubio supporter who didn't know much about Trump at all. I'm only back because a friend told me that FP wasn't as crazy as I thought it was, plus I noticed in the updated rule set that the offense I was banned for which was telling puns in SH (interpreted as shitposting) was no longer bannable, so I thought I'd stay a while and pay respects to the forum that I essentially came of age in. I did read it, and like I said, we have no way of actually verifying if these people are real family because it's not in policy yet.

I don't think you're wrong there. Fascism really is "capitalism in decay" or however it was put, that's something I've long believed too. This book is my favorite and explains really well why different countries either stayed with liberal-democracy, became social-democratic, or slid into fascism. https://keybase.pub/arthurfrayn/books/Gregory%20M.%20Luebbert%20-%20Liberalism%2C%20Fascism%2C%20or%20Social%20Democracy.pdf Small pieces Interwar liberal democracy rested on a coalition of the center-right. This was a coalition of middle-class consolidation, or so I argue. It was a coalition that broke with an historic tradition of liberal—labor cooperation in these societies and was aimed against the socialist working classes. Liberal democracy was also stabilized by the political isolation of the working classes and by the ineffectiveness of trade union organizations in liberal societies. Social democratic political economies, by contrast, rested during the interwar years on alliances of the urban working classes and the family or middle peasantry. They preserved the democratic competitiveness of liberalism, but broke fundamentally with its economics. In these societies, the working classes, and in particular, the socialist trade union movements, were much more comprehensively and coherently organized. Fascism, too, rested on a social coalition of the town and country, but it was one that combined the family peasantry with the urban middle classes rather than the urban working classes. The institutions and policies of fascism, like the institutions and policies of social democracy, followed from the logic of the subtending coalition, albeit, once in power, fascist movements were by their authoritarian nature less constrained by their supporting interests.

Unless your KKK meeting is large enough, then you can burn your cross anyway. Police do pick and choose their battles sometimes and it's not worth the utter chaos trying to stop an entire crowd would cause. The KKK used to have huge gatherings in TN, as long as they just kept to themselves and didn't bother anyone outside of it the police didn't bother getting into the shit with them because it would turn into a damn Waco if they did

You apparently didn't read it very well because it's completely irrelevant to whatever point you were trying to make. And you know what would've taken care of verifying if these people are real family before it ever became a problem? Not separating them to begin with or at the very least actually fucking documenting shit. (You know, something bureaucracy is kinda infamous for going overboard with typically.)

Finally, It's been too hard to track these fuckers before. The day of rope is upon us at last!

Bet you thought those black guys getting beat up was good you boot licking cuck.

If only there was a simpler way of saying anti anti fascist. 🤔