• Theresa May warns there could be no Brexit at all because of obstruction
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Why do you hate the UK so much? Seriously what do you have against us?
where were you when the UK government imploded on itself
Boilrig is driven entirely on his selfish personal interests for himself and his country (New Zealand). That's the entire reason he supports Brexit, because it would theoretically boost trade with them which hasn't been a significant thing for a long time, thanks to the existence of the EU removing the necessity for it. He is a shallow man that would watch the world burn if he would be better off for it.
I hope this isn't a bannable offence, but I honestly feel like Boilrig has transitioned from sceptic to troll, at this point. Please don't ban me.
Of course, in the months after a No Deal the PM will then be expected to manage the state of emergency. She'd go down in history as the UK's worst Prime Minister, a title she's been resisting steadfastly given the disaster of Grenfell, the manifest failure of austerity under her which will be studied for generations and the shitshow that her government has been.
I'd rather deal with the political fallout of 'No Brexit' than the disastrous consequences of 'No Deal'.
That isn't me advocating for it, its more of a statement, I fail to see Brexit being stopped, nor that the EU will take those terms, thus hard brexit, no deal situation. I think its been pretty clear the UK's economy is not going to 'totally implode'. The departure date is set, we're just waiting to hear back from the EU. How could I hate the motherland. Yet to see any implosion, tell me when they remove May, then you might call that an implosion. Yet you'd hit No Deal before No Brexit, escaping from Art 50 is impossible at this point.
Everything you've claimed about Brexit has completely come crashing down. Stop acting like you know what you are talking about.
where were you when Boilrig's world imploded on itself
"ill do it! Ill fucking do it!" "shut up" "... Ok ok ill stop, sorry."
I mean I know you're constantly pulling stuff out of your ass, but maybe it would be nice to stop misinforming people at some point https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-16/eu-s-tusk-juncker-dangle-hope-that-u-k-will-reverse-brexit
I've become convinced that Boilrig is a troll. It's Impossible that anyone could earnestly continue to believe in the things he seems to in spite of all the evidence to the contrary that he's been confronted with. To the point he's become a sort of running joke in Brexit threads. So aside from stirring up drama, why does anyone even respond to him at this point? It's like there are a bunch of people who wait with bated breath for him to post so they can go through the same song and dance again.
Brexit hasn't even happened, so far we are within acceptable limits. They have been saying that since the day they handed in Article 50, however if you've been keeping up with the running commentary it would require approval from the remaining EU member countries, with a high possibility of concessions/punishment for this affair, it could possibly be similar to buying their way back in.
A political party is literally disintegrating because of this mess and one of the Brexit big boys blew up every point you ever made, Boil "within acceptable limits" Rig.
Yeah, and any sort of agreements, better or worse than current, would also require approval from the remaining EU member countries. So what? That reasoning is basically like "I embarrassed myself in a bar, I can never go there again for the rest of my life". Not to mention, it basically implies that Britain wouldn't even trade with the EU post Brexit because individual countries would want to punish Britain more than to trade with it, which is ludicrous to even consider. Not to mention, if that were to actually happen, the British economy would be so screwed it's best not to even consider it. Reversing Brexit is in everyone's interest more than Brexit itself, because so far there hasn't been jack shit negotiated. So what are "acceptable limits"? At what point will you say "it used to be on a good track but not anymore"? Is Theresa May stepping down within acceptable limits? How about Brexit without any deal reached? How about Scotland voting to secede from the union? What the hell is all this supposed to achieve? So far, Britain has gained nothing. The biggest promise of Brexit, the NHS money, turned out to be a load of crap literally the next day. There's nothing to look forward to. Nothing.
Acceptable limits are Brexit = breakfast and you're a dick for thinking otherwise, or something.
It may be "in everyones interest" however there will be expected concessions from the UK, even going as far as phasing out the pound and moving to the Euro. It is nice to say "everyones interest", however "everyones interest" is also to gain as much as possible from the UK being in a weak position. Pretty wide tbh. This scenario was well known as an eventual possibility. Yes, though I don't think she should, however return of Boris much. Ahh yes, I'm sure the Scottish would love to have Hadrian's wall v2. Brexit hasn't even happened, what was supposed to be gained when nothing has actually changed yet, why do people expect Brexit overnight, or that new governments can fix the countries problems in 24 hours flat or through one parliament session. How can anything expected to be changed when you haven't left the thing you wanted to in the first place.
HOW ARE YOU A REAL PERSON IN THE WORLD?!
"Brexit hasnt happened" isn't even true lmao. We invoked Article 50, Brexit has officially begun and it's fallen to shit at the first hurdle.
You people make the (reasonable) mistake of assuming Boilrig genuine and coherent in his beliefs to either himself or others. I too used to think this way, and trust me, after having enough discussions with the guy it is pretty clear he's like an even further sub-turing UKIP version of Cleverbot, A complex of Brexit memes made flesh. Reply to him only insofar as it amuses you, as you will gain nothing else from talking to him; Do not assume him to be either truthful in relaying what he believes nor having any set of coherent beliefs backed in anything substantial when it comes to this (or frankly, any) subject.
Hey Boilrig! Glad that you are here again. I'm going to ask you the same series of questions again that I've tried to ask you twice prior to this moment. (Underscoring what is most relevant for the topic) In almost every thread I've seen you debate in, pretty much everyone gangs up against you. Why do you think that is? Why wouldn't there be more people here sharing your view and agreeing with your points? Is it because we are all wrong and just sitting here in an echo chamber? The phrase "everyone else is wrong except me". How can you be sure that you are right when so many others disagree with you, users, media, and experts alike? You also claim to be "open minded" about Brexit. Where are your doubts? Can you present for us here two or three different things that you feel unsure about? Things that would benefit Britain as a whole if they were to stay in the EU.
The UK is already in a weak position. You might've heard of it, that whole Brexit thing? Stopping Brexit would likely require the least concessions from the UK. The negotiations are the part where stuff is supposed to be changed. It's been a year and now you've got Mrs. "Brexit is Brexit" saying "My message to the country this weekend is simple: we need to keep our eyes on the prize” and “If we don’t, we risk ending up with no Brexit at all.” There is zero plan of what Brexit is even supposed to be. Do you maybe know? Not what it's going to be, but what it's supposed to be? Is it being just part of a customs union? Being part of the EEC? Completely saying fuck off to the EU? I don't think you do, because nobody in the UK government seems to have a clue what the hell they're even trying to accomplish. That uncertainty and the fact after half the time has already passed is the entire issue. Currently we're looking at a future where exporting to the UK on 30th March 2019 grinds to a complete halt while companies and customs authorities struggle to process all the paperwork that wasn't required just a day ago. And that won't even be the biggest issue. Your idea of Brexit somehow bringing back the greatness of the British empire in however many years is a fever dream of a madman.
Are you fucking insane? We won't remain in the EU because there "will be concessions", and somehow leaving without any kind of trade deal is not a "concession"? At least spout internally consistent bullshit
I believe people on here have their own reasons to not like Brexit and that is quite a wide topic, so I wouldn't know to be exact. There could be a multitude of reasons, you could go all the way from the political leanings of Facepunch all the way to the misunderstanding of basic economic concepts. Way too wide of topic to be exact. While I consider the Trump hatred news threads to be an echo chamber of who can do the first post copy pasted from the last thread, with Brexit, there is no right and wrong. Ever since the start of Brexit, on a link I posted a long time ago, Financial Times contacted 100 or so economists, it came close to a 50/50 split on Brexit if I remember correctly. The problem with Brexit, is there is no right or wrong, and there are valid arguments for both staying in the EU and leaving, and while you can argue 'damage to the economy', there stands valid theory for both staying and leaving. Our biggest issue currently is the unknown, and while we can yell at each other about job losses and gdp growth, we won't truly know the position of everything until maybe 10-15 years after Brexit. I have many doubts, anyone who reads Brexit should have many, as with any political topic this large. While I have my doubts about the UK leaving the EU, I also have my doubts about the UK staying in the EU. Exactly what I said. The problem is that the UK should've realised it can't negotiate with the EU on its pillars and just moved towards a FTA, accepting the hit to the economy and slow downs at customs as that can be fixed with time. A more non-europe focused global britain in better for the security of my country.
You'd probably be better off looking to form Oceania based intergovernmental entity similar to the EU rather than counting on a country that's literally on the exact opposite side of the planet. Even then, you'd probably be better off with them staying in the EU. I think this is as close as we'll get to you admitting that Brexit, at least in its current state, was a bad idea
I enjoy the freedom my government has not being under an EU like institution, and no, probably not better with the UK staying in the EU. Not really, since the UK can cope with that hit.
My question is whether the EU will accept "no brexit after all" after 3 years of Britain shifting around on the issue. Something's got to give after all that bullshit, one way or the other.
Not without some major concessions from the UK or else countries will use Article 50 to their advantage if they see the UK get off scot free.
See, we don’t take you seriously because you behave like this.
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