Putin and Trump meet, trump claims US "stupidity" as source of Russian distrust.
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are you just physically incapable of understanding comparisons
if I told you you were the pot calling the kettle black would you complain saying you absolutely are not a cooking implement
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44852812
Those so called conservative US Patriots, they never looked sillier then today.
Please, Dems and Libs, smear it in their fucking faces every time the Reps wanna parrot about patriotism or principles, do it.
Well for starters, Trump refused to acknowledge the Russian hacking of the DNC and bought directly into Putin's narrative that it never happened instead of believing the conclusions of the US's own intelligence agencies. This was directly after Putin conceded that he wanted Trump to win the election.
He also didn't implement sanctions passed by congress for months and in the end never gave them the full bite they were meant to have.
He has clearly shown a pattern of favoring Russia over our closest allies in his diplomatic actions and rhetoric. You can see it plain as day when you contrast his scathing remarks toward NATO members last week and the way he cozies up to Vladimir Putin in today's summit.
Well it's not a good comparison because Trump is not comparable to hitler, and me defending him on some point isn't the same as saying "well you know killing jews in 1945 was legal"
UK lost it's power via a world war that put the already strenuous ties on their empires to the limits. Add on WW2 causing majority of their manufacturing to be bombed to hell and back by the germans compounds it. This scenario is completely different and its not the massive navy/army/common wealth that give the US it's projected power, its the massive population/trade/manufacturing. Western nations rely on our nation for plenty of resources they simply dont have the means to collect. That includes your nation especially btw.
Crying about how you want America to just fall into the abyss and not seeing the bigger monster right across from them is idiotic and shows you have no geopolitical sense to why thats a bad thing for anyone who isnt Russia/China.
Dumbass presidents blocked the traffic and wasted an hour of my life just so they could tell each other how much they like themselves? Install Skype for Presidents or something, jeez.
This is hilarious because the alternatives are so much worse than the US that you can't even imagine lmao
You are focusing on how the UK lost it's status instead of how graduated it was, you are delusional if you think the UK lost it's empire and therefore it's power in a short time span.
You can keep spouting nonsensical adjetives but that won't help the fact that you are the one oblivious to the US's disastrous foreign policy if you think they are the best the world can aspire to. Pretty sad to prefer a country that in the last 70 years has sponsored wars/coups/terrorism and if you want to focus on current events, the withdrawal from the Paris accords which is arguably the most net damage any country has ever done to the world itself, considering the fact that the US is the highest producer of CO2 per capita.
do you have any idea what the fuck will happen if America is dethroned?
China and Russia will be able to enact much more freely along with other shitty countries if the US isn't able to keep them at bay.
Like i get the hate towards the US's government is understandable and warranted, but good fucking lord you guys do not have any other good alternatives. atm Unless the EU can become something to counter those countries, you're stuck with the US. Which is why its vital to get the US under control right now and dig out Russia's corrupted Talons from its flesh. And fix as much as we possibly can to avoid China/Russia/other corrupted countries from becoming more powerful.
Like the biggest one right now is obviously China. Which is becoming "Black Mirror" in the flesh, and everyone can agree we do NOT want them in control or take control of World Politics.
Why are you, like many others have been doing on this thread, assume that a country like China would enact a foreign policy similar to their internal one when a country like the US hasn't?
I did reply to it. Again, you ignoring it doesn't constitute me not replying.
America is the better nation in damn near every regard over China or Russia, and you are only able to believe the adverse because you have chosen to be as ignorant as anyone I've ever seen in regards to the history of those two nations.
Please, inform yourself, or shut up. I don't care.
if you understand the concept of Hegemonies and Sphere of influences.
Lesser, smaller countries tend to follow by example and be influenced by larger countries.
If China becomes the head honcho and uses all these tactics and Black mirror styled ways of controlling its populace. Lesser countries are going to go. "Hey that isn't a bad idea".
Why would we assume otherwise when the history of the nation of China in the last 100 years would readily cause anyone to believe that they will apply their internal politics on other nations going forwards? Your whole argument, the entire lynchpin of your idea here is that "China wouldn't do that" based on your assumption that they "Wouldn't do that", Not a historical precedent as I'm basing my view off of.
On foreign policy, which is what concerns me since i don't live in the US, no.
You can keep saying "but look at the authoritarian, pseudo-orwellian state that it's China" all you want but the fact that DOESN'T reflect to their foreign policy at all (or are you gonna start citing actual cases of China enforcing censorship/authoritarianism on whatever countries they are currently investing in) still stands.
Also, you keep mentioning Russia, lol.
America hasn't done a great job everywhere, but you also consider Japan, South Korea, and Germany post WWII. Their modern success as economic powerhouses and liberal democracies can be largely attributed to the foreign influence of the US against the Soviets during the Cold War.
The fact of the matter is China has a horrible track record with human rights and it is pretty damn naive to think that that suddenly changes when dealing with other nations. And like someone mentioned before, countries successfully held under the sphere of influence of others tend to mimic their patron nation. Look at Vietnam if you want a good example of China's influence.
The right LITERALLY doesn't want me or the people I care about to have [i]basic civil rights[/i] so yeah, fuck the right!
You act as if i was on board with human rights abuses and at the same time conflate it with their foreign policy while providing no examples at all.
You also name Vietnam, are you aware of the fact that China and Vietnam had a war in the 70's that pretty much soured relations so if anything China's influence over them has been minimal until the early 2000s. Still the fact that a nation like Vietnam managed to recover after the enormous fuck up that was the US Vietnam war is really telling.
Xi Jinping just made it clear where China's foreign policy is he..
I mean you're not basing your opinions of this on anything realistic, just feelings.
America has created several democracies in the past in areas that are highly troubled. And guess what? They leave. And things go to shit pretty quickly when they leave because they do that part wrong.
As far as nation building go, america isn't amazing at it but to just assume that China's doing better is empty and hollow.
Sure, when i say i prefer a nation that sticks to the Paris accord as opposed to not, it's just based on my feelings. When i say i prefer a nation that sticks to the Iran nuclear deal, it's just based on my feelings. When i say i prefer a nation that would rather expand their spehere of influence with economic development instead of state terrorism/war on terror it's just based on my feelings.
It's almost as if the US would truly want to build up these countries democracies as you mention, they would actually try to succeed after so many failed attempt instead of leaving, or maybe, just an idea. Not invading those countries at all and leaving them in shambles.
Well no fucking shit the USA fucked in their sphere of influence/hegemony.
The point being is with China its going to be WORSE
ffs
Based on what? You keep trying to imply that their internal policy is actually the same to their foreign policy while providing no documentation at all.
1) A ton of products in the US are made in China.
2) Trump tarriffed Chinese goods.
3) US manufacture is gimped in comparison to China's.
4) Said products get more expensive and less plentiful.
why would a country that exploits its own people not exploit foreigners?
Wait what? What does that have anything to do with what i was saying?
Are you implying that the trade war initated by Trump isn't solely the responsability of the US?
My dude, if the major supplier of your daily necessities told you to jump, you know they will jump.
Trump is not business as usual for the US, he's the anamoly.
The US still is in the Paris Accord until 2021, the earliest at which they can actually pull out. They have stated they will, but there will be an election by then. Your ignorance again, isn't helpful.
These are all issues with Trump, and Trumps policies, not "AMERICA". So calm the fuck down. I'm as anti Trump as it gets, and I can recognize the difference. Maybe you should try doing similarly?
Do you think a nation that has a literal dictator for life is going to be less hostile over the next 50 years? Really? Are you sure about that? You talk about how America is headed by a tyrant but fail to look at who runs china. Someone who is literally the leader for life.
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