Voting-Machine Vendor Put Remote-Access Software on Systems Sold to U.S.
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This is the same kind of argument that sees DRM remain on a product forever despite being cracked in 72 hours by pirates who get to enjoy the game unhindered by DRM forever. You solved a problem, temporarily, but the negative consequences remain for the legitimate populace long after the exploiters find a new hole.
DRM is much, much more complicated than voting software for a huge number of reasons. Partially because the task is significantly more complex, but also because you're effectively attempting to secure a system on hardware that is not only compromised, but also that you have absolutely no control over whatsoever.
You sort of missed the point. I didn't bring up DRM for the "securing systems" aspect, but the "I must fix every exploit no matter how vulnerable it is in practice" aspect that sees DRM stay on long after the barn door has been blown off with a new exploit or a workaround that bypasses the DRM.
BFG can't prove or even quantify the hypothetical risk that people peep at voter rolls and feloniously vote fraudulently, but he's demanding a law with significant side effects that disproportionately affect minority Democrat voters be imposed to fix this unquantifiable problem.
Imagine going to war without any idea what the defensive force is or even proof that they have done something worth invading for. This is what BFG wants to happen, in effect, to voting laws.
Fraudulent voting doens't happen in any statistical quantity enough to disenfranchise voters.
Going to the DMV, and other governmental agencies when you work a shitty job is not always possible. You need to do that in the hours of 9-4, monday through friday. Many people cannot do that in those hours due to work obligations. They cannot get the day off to just go spend a whole day at the DMV because money is tight and they likely live in an "At Will" state, where they can be fired for missing a day or being wholly unavailable on a given day. This isn't about race, it's about poverty.
The most recent case of voter fraud was a woman trying to vote for Trump twice. Voter fraud is not an issue.
Ah, you're right; I misread the context of the post. My bad.
Prove it. Prove voter fraud occurs in anything like appreciable numbers. Prove that it happens at a fraction of a percent of the amount of people who would be disenfranchised by voter ID laws.
That goddamn racist Supreme Court.
And yet hundreds of thousands of people in states like Texas and North Carolina somehow get along fine without them. Whether or not it's easy and cheap for you to get in your truck on a day off and hustle on over to the DMV is wholly irrelevant.
If it's supposed to help Democrats then why have Republicans gloated about how much it hurts them.
Nobody thinks black people are too stupid to get ID's you mook the only people who argue that are conservatives on Youtube.
Voting by mail here really is convenient. It's not particularly insecure either. To describe for people who don't have mail in ballots: They mail your ballot to your current place of residence, you fill it out whenever, sign it, then mail it back to them. They then check the signature against what they have on record and if everything checks out then you're good to go. And to my knowledge they now register you to vote automatically when you get your ID/driver's license which doesn't really entail any extra work on your end. (It was optional when I got my license.)
I stand with BFGx on thisone, if you do not defend your democracy you do not deserve it, voter fraud is a far bigger problem then some preceived logistical issues we as a species have fixed more then possible to mention in this thread.
I mean i get it, you guys had a lot of crooky shit going on in your history, and you are worried this is just the next evolution of that since some of the crooks tried to make it that... But it does not have to be. consider the long game here, consider all the issues you guys currently have with your voting system, and how most of them would go away if you just had a decent voter Id system and every person had an id... Once you get to that point (and 4 years should be PLENTY) you fixed it, no more voter fraud, no more people forgot to register in time, no more bullshit.
That you are using 'not being able to get a single day in the year to file some paperwork and post it' is beyond ridiculous to me, and i just cant take it serous.
If you stand with BFG then I hope you bring more evidence of this overbearing voter fraud than he did.
tbh voter ID would be a great idea
if everyone got one for free (and free replacements)
but the GOP are completely opposed to giving the American people ANYTHING for free, let alone a small bit of card with a picture and some text on it
i like how BFG and blizzox combined have successfully diverted the thread away from the very alarming technological hacks orchestrated by a foreign nation to poor people suck because they can't get an ID.
Seems like it's your privilege talking here more than anything. I don't think you appreciate how little free time poor people can have because they've got to work shitty jobs for long hours just to keep their heads above water. Do you know how it feels to be in deep, and I mean DEEP poverty?
I like how you didn't pay attention to the thread at all because I didn't start talking about voter ID till one of you guys brought it up.
>if everyone got one for free (and free replacements)
Yes, that is mine and BFGX point since the start of this, and it would solve the potential to hack in large degree, if not stifle it heavily. Combined with technologies like (buzzword incoming) crypto-chains where an unchangeable record is created and theoretically everyone can look up where they voted and when on who. Fraud or whatever would be provable by the individual for his or her own vote, and any person not on the crypto chain would not be able to vote.
Digitally manipulated or not. Hack that...
>but the GOP are completely opposed to giving the American people ANYTHING for free, let alone a small bit of card with a picture and some text on it
I agree, completely, that’s dumb... and those people deserve to be called out on that, but that does not destroy the merit of a properly implemented system.
>i like how BFG and blizzox combined have successfully diverted the thread away from the very alarming technological hacks orchestrated by a foreign nation
...As a way to solve the bigger picture problem the tread is about? I dont really understand i get 'dumb' icons and you get 'agree' icons for basically agreeing with the point i was defending? Am i really that inarticulate?
>to poor people suck because they can't get an ID.
Thats not true, i don’t think that at all. I just dont feel like its a fair critique to the discussion of voter ID that 'poor people cant take a leave day to pick up the ID'. If they really cant then they cant vote now either, since they need to register...
So its a non-argument to this. A real problem, that has real solutions, but it has no effect on this argument. if there is anyone sidetracking an argument, that’s it right there... If anything the current 'register to vote' deters more people, since it HAS to be X weeks before the vote... Voter ID would be once, and kept for life, and anyone becoming voting eligible from then on would get one automatically.
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