Several Wins for Pro-2nd Amendment Campaigners! - Open Carry, 3D Printed, ect.
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It's my staunch belief that one day I'll die in victorious battle with a weapon in hand and go to Odin's Hall in Valhalla, and eat, fight, fuck, and drink for all eternity. But believe in one hand, shit in the other, and see which one fills up first, as they say.
Your dealer in LA is already breaking the law by dealing drugs, and probably by owning that firearm as well. What makes you think that further restricting firearms is going to make that dealer give up his stock to police willingly?
Instead of pointlessly and ineffectively restricting firearms, how about you focus on why that dood is a drug dealer, why he's willing to break the law, and why people kill each other? Get rid of those reasons and those people lose their will to do ill, or at the very least the next generation does. Turning law abiding citizens into paper criminals in an attempt to smoke out the non-law abiding is a fruitless effort. Prohibition of anything has always worked counter-intuitively in the US, why further drive violence by driving the market for illicit goods?
Like why would you even lie like that when you can just go back to literally any of those threads and see that what you said is not correct. Its such a flimsy thing that can be immediately proven false.
"Hello, I'm a Facepunch user who has never lived in the USA, and he is why their laws are dumb and should be changed...."
I'm all for freedom of speech, but there's a drastic difference between the USA and Europe (or in this case, Estonia).
Truth be told it doesn't make it cross country, but it does make it applicable to all states under the 9th circuit. What it does do however is set a legal precedence, which then can be used to challenge laws not in line with the ruling in other states/circuits not covered by the 9th.
Ill chime in to say that I am thankful for the stats you guys post because although I personally dont have much interest in guns, I do like to at least understand the perspective of the other side
What a bunch of hysterical bullshit.
"Oh those psychopaths with guns are gonna kill more people!"
I'm tired of this retarded bullshit, oh no the bullshit restrictions are getting less restricted won't somebody think of the children? America is going down the tubes! Why I wouldn't be surprised if the country just goes into anarchy tomorrow!
It's always hysterics with you people.
This right here is total bullshit, gun rights advocates on FP are always linking studies and properly debating. Wheras you're just coming in here acting like it's the downfall of society.
This is the mark of someone who doesn't care about facts and opposing arguments and just wants everybody to blindly follow what they say. Don't have guns because it's dumb and gun people are killers!
Get the fuck over yourself.
Especially so when a vast, overwhelming majority of gun related homicides are via firearms anyway.
Drive by pretentious shitposting.
wtf i love the ninth circuit now
feel free to go blow smoke up your own ass, we don't need you to do it to us
The 9th circuit gets a lot of shit for being "too active" but that's really just because the 9th circuit is outdated as fuck and represents half of the United States by land area. When it formed it represented just 2 million people living in the frontier states. Currently it represents over 65 million people, while the other circuits typically represent between 20 - 25 million people.
I'm genuinely confused why you linked an article about a licensing being linked to a decrease in homicide as a source for proving concealed carry increases homicide. It never even mentions concealed carry and outright says the licensing decreases access of firearms to criminals and people who otherwise cannot legally purchase a handgun.
Licensing when? If you're pro 2nd amendment i dont see why you wouldnt favor restrictions being replaced with training and licenses
What the fuck did you just fucking say about US gun laws, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in online debate, I've been involved in numerous fact-checking operations on Moms Demand Action, and I have over 300 confirmed anti to pro-gun conversions. I am trained in detecting logical fallacies and I'm the top statistician in the entire Facepunch community. You are nothing to me but just another European filled with misinformation. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Forum, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of research contributors across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the raw data, maggot. The data that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your anti-gun stance. You're being fucking misled by the media's headlines, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can defeat your half-baked, bumper-sticker level logic in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with the statistics I have memorized on the top of my head. Not only am I extensively trained in the history of international gun control, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the online research paper depositories and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the Forum, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit logic all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking fundamentally incorrect, kiddo.
If you're pro 2nd amendment (as in arguing from a position of constitutionality) the only gun law you want includes the words "shall not be infringed"
If you're pro-gun in a more general sense you might be more amenable to the idea if we weren't living in a country that has already used licensing as a foot in the door to mass confiscation
I would be for that generally, if it were a tiered system where the more rigorous the background checks the more access you were provided to various firearms I think would be interesting. At least, I would be willing to submit to an extensive multiyear background check to gain access to automatics for example.
I think many people are against it because they believe that a licensing system would lead to an outright ban in many places, like what has been seen and over turned in placed like Washington DC. Those fears aren't exactly unfounded, and if a licensing system were left up to a state by state basis I could absolutely see a place like my home state of California essentially banning firearms by refusing to issue licenses, issuing so few that they only meet a minimum legal issuance requirement, or only issuing the most basic of licenses.
If something recognized as a right by the Supreme Law of the Land is put behind a licensing system you no longer have a right, and have something more akin to a privilege that, historically, can and will be used against law abiding citizens.
The biggest problem I see with additional licensing and training comes down to cost. Most states that have permit systems in place currently do have a free license available for purchase, and most state,s save the constitutional carry ones, have training requirements for carry permits. However, the later typically costs money sometimes into the hundreds of dollars. Depending on the state this effectively bars the poor from being able to have a firearm to defend themselves with outside of the home, especially in places such as New York City where the permit costs $340 not counting the $90+ finger printing fee and training costs.
If the federal government were to provide such training at the governments expense I would see no problem with it, as money no longer becomes the disparaging factor. As a personal belief I'd see it as a great disparage of rights to the individual, as no one should have a road block to the right to defend themselves, but I'd accept it as a compromise seeing as such a system is readily available and has no sort of blocks such as money to prevent one from doing so. But as most presented legislation sits it leaves it on the individual to pay for all of it, which at best can be seen as a deprivation of rights and at worst be seen as outright discrimination.
Licenses and registries aren't trusted in the US because governments around here have a habit of moving the goalposts so that it becomes exceptionally difficult to access the regulated firearm. A perfect example is the machine gun registry, which was closed in 1986 and thus, de-facto banned all machine guns made after that date because you can no longer register them.
With how dirty the Democrats are with their anti-gun tactics, and I'm talking Fox News levels of filth, I fully expect them to use any licenses or registry to further restrict firearms well beyond the law's intent.
The only way I could trust it is if it were built into an Amendment, with a provision that voided the registry if any attempt to sabotage or alter it was made by Congress.
I'd like to nominate this post for Shitpost of the year.
So just an update on the 3D Printed Guns side of things: Cody Wilson is now sueing New Jersey Attorney General and the City of Los Angeles for blocking his website.
https://twitter.com/Radomysisky/status/1023671967889514496
i would be decently ok with a license so long as i can get anything from a .22 pistol up to a PKM and beyond to a howitzer with that one license.
Please for the love of god rule Assault Weapons Bans as unconstitutional next. They don’t do anything to prevent gun crime and they are a legal double standard. The Supreme Court already ruled that short barreled shotguns weren’t protected under the 2nd amendment because they weren’t used by the military (which is bullshit), but then the federal government and some states were allowed to ban assault weapons because they look too much like a weapon used by the military?
You can’t have it both ways. By that logic, machine guns should have the registry reopened at the very least since they are used exclusively by our military.
https://twitter.com/Radomysisky/status/1024001397535076352
Looks like state AGs will not let this go quietly. Either way, if it's a fight they want, it's a fight we'll give em'
This case has serious implications relating to gunsmithing in general, and if Pro-2A wins, it basically will fortify against any attempts to ban home gunsmithing.
This doesn't seem like it has much backing in the long run. Plus, you can't stop this. This is like the court putting a restraining order on someone from uploading a torrent. Good luck lmao
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