A Migrant Boy Rejoins His Mother, but He's Not the Same - Polidicks

Right here. Also, I think you don't know enough at all about what's going on in todays world, to talk about it like you do.

They weren't separated, given a new 'last name', sexually abused, stripped naked and strapped to chairs, physically abused, medically sedated, forced into cramped surroundings where nobody is allowed to touch them for any reason, and not supervised whatsoever, and intentionally psychologically destroyed like you would a member of a boot camp. Then, they weren't 'oops, we lost them - guess you'll have to go find them on your own, we're not going to help you and we have zero records on where your children even went good luck'.

In the here and now, how much does it actually matter what words you use to describe the fucking places? What the fuck does it matter that they're Does that distinction seriously matter that much? Is that really the most important thing right now? The word we use to describe these internment camps where children are being permanently psychologically damaged, physically and sexually abuse, which is to say raped and actually dying? Is that really the hill someone needs to be dying on right now? Is the exact nomenclature really that important? What the hell does it matter they're not as bad when they are still shockingly, horrifyingly bad with news that only makes them worse coming out with mortifying regularity? This is just pedantry and I don't understand why. What is the end goal here? Why the hell are you so much more concerned with policing people's language than the fact that all these people are being rounded up into camps with only the most vague, nebulous, flimsy excuses of 'they broke the law' and having their children taken from them who get to stand trial while there parents get fucking deported and lost by this piss poor excuse for an administration? This is the same semantic pedantry that gets trotted out to argue Tinyhands doesn't have a single trace of fascism in him because he doesn't fit this one exact specific definition of a cука фашистская. That man made climate change can't possibly be real because there isn't the singular all encompassing, all inclusive study that just says 'Yes the climate change is real' so all the hundreds of thousands of studies saying 'yes this piece of manmade activity is affecting the environment' aren't valid Sure, I guess these aren't technically internment or concentration camps in the most literal possible terms because they don't meet the exact, literal specification because these people are technically not all being held "without charges or intent to file charges, and thus no trial", but that doesn't exactly change the fact that these camps bear a worrying number of similarities to the actual real examples, and that's kind of the crux of people's whole deal. Whatever word you choose to call them these camps are still a fucking travesty happening right here in front of us all And you're even willing to admit that yes, the camps are a fucking travesty, so if you agree with the most important part of the entire objection then why are you arguing the language used to describe one single part of it for so insistently? How in the world is the word people are using for as a shorthand description? Not a direct, literal one, but an analogous descriptor When people say 'a brain is like a computer' they don't mean a brain is literally a synthetic object made up of plastics and metals filled with wires and circuitry and powered by electric current. They don't literally mean that the human brain is "A device that can be instructed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations automatically via computer programmings". They mean that a human brain is like a computer, it is analogous; having analogy; corresponding in some particular; it bears many strong similarities to a computer in its function. Despite not being a literal object made of plastics, metals, wires, and circuitry, powered be electricity, and capable of being instructed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations automatically via computer programmings, it is still like; analogous; similar; comparable; akin; alike to a computer, insofar as it can still carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations and similarly can be programmed. Not literally programmed, as in writing digital code to be input into the brain directly, but figuratively programmed in manners analogous to, manners not exactly alike but performing similar functions. Sort of like your car's wheel not being the same as the wheel on your mop bucket, but they are still both wheels which perform similar functions Is the specific word used to describe the not literally Nazi interment/concentration/detention camps really the most important thing to be talking about here? Now? Is it really worth the time and energy? Is this really an important issue that needs a voice and an advocate right now? This second? What is the point of this entire argument? What is the end goal here? People already agree that these places aren't real literal concentration camps exactly like the ones from history, but they're still bad and they're still performing a bunch of analogous functions to the history examples and they're a substantial source of human misery which you also seem to agree with so what is the actual point? Why is it of such grave concern that this line in the sand be drawn right here and right now? that it be made known now, to all these people already agreeing that yes, these are not literal Nazi concentration camps? Is it something as simple and petty as it just being that irksome to agree with these people? What is the thing I'm not getting here? I earnestly have no idea why it's so important to argue the exact language, especially when I'm having trouble finding a substantial number of people who are saying that this is literally the exact same thing as Auschwitz, which seems to be a major part of the crux of your whole objection There is obviously some reason you're so persistently, vehemently arguing this quibbling detail and I would really like to know what the hell it is

@Sitkero I disagree with one specific part of your messaging. These are literally concentration and internment camps. They do not have to be called 'Auschwitz' or have anything to do with Jews or Nazis to qualify for that description. I posted the requirements on the page before. Just because they are not Nazi concentration camps does not mean they are not concentration camps. Additionally, these policies are the results of a white supremacist directly advising the President, who believes that whites are being oppressed and will be wiped out if we do not get rid of immigration as a literal concept in the United States. Just because he's not a shoulder-band wearing Nazi doesn't diminish that his policies are nonetheless directly parallel'd to Nazi philosophy regarding immigration and immigrants.

Don't worry kiddos only Nazi concentration and Japanese internment camps are real. I'm sure that's some consolation for you while you're getting drugged or raped.

You did, and it's an excellent post, but I am operating under the assumption that these things are not good enough and/or wholly irrelevant, as they are not specifically meeting a certain definition of what a concentration camp is literally enough, like the other examples listed in the post. While these people are being held in large groups, could be argued as being political prisoners, are being held in inadequate facilities, are members of a persecuted minority, and likely serving as a source of forced labor(A horrible subject I encourage everyone to dig into on their own), they are technically being held, at least ostensibly, with charges or intent to file charges relating to illegal border crossings The Wikipedia link is up there and all it lists is "the imprisonment of people, commonly in large groups, without charges or intent to file charges, and thus no trial" and it is my experience that this is more than enough to form a base for semantic argument, which is much more what my post is geared towards. Questioning the necessity, motives, importance, position, and function of the semantic argument My questions obviously have answers. There has to be some driving rationale behind why the argument is necessary, why it is important, what its overall goal is, what the point is. The point of my post is to find explanations for these things. I am in dire need of explanations. I have been asking questions like this for two straight years and I still have a complete dearth of explanations But if prior experience is anything to go by this is the part where the person I am questioning bails, so instead I'm going to just start using these conclusions as an excuse to just link tangentially related stuff, like these videos related to this kind of debate

True, however there are now reports coming out of people legally crossing the border at a specified and legal port of entry, presenting paperwork and requesting asylum immediately at that time -- whose children were still taken from them. In such light, that seems to mean to me that it's not about legality anymore.

I believe Sitkero's point is that even if we grant the premise that those places aren't literally concentration camps, the essence of these same places is bad enough to cause tremendous harm to those inside and there are sufficient similarities that lead even internment camp and concentration camp victims to sympathize with those interned there. If that is the case, what then is the point of fussing over the semantic correctness of the term used to denote these places? What is the motive behind adamantly refusing to budge on said terms (supposedly out of respect for those who suffered) while also at the same time refusing to wholly condemn these places for what they actually are (contrary to respect of those who currently suffer, indeed, also contrary to the pleas of those previous victims of similar places who also call out in equivocal condemnation)? What is the end goal here?

I hope we hear about this for decades. This is our generations equivalent to Japanese internment camps.