• New York Times writer Sarah Jeong won't be fired after making racist tweets
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Well no shit. But this idea of white people being persecuted on the same level as minorities in this country is bullshit.
I think engaging in a hypothetical "what if the roles were reversed?" argument just plays into the hands of neo-nazis and white supremacists. It shouldn't be a case of us vs them.
Just today some Japanese dude called me a white ogre and threw salt at me. Then on my way back home, some black fellas started honking at me and calling me a honky. White racism is so rampant and I fear if I can even land a job or not get pulled over by cops for the color of my skin. Seriously, if you honestly think those tweets are on par with even a quarter of the shit I hear spouted off by my family or coworkers in the south, then you have another thing coming. Just yesterday there was an uplifting story about how a black woman was rescued by 3 white cops and was personally thanking them, and my mom boldface turns and says "typical fucking nigger making a story out of nothing, I bet shes on welfare and will go back to hating whites as soon as the cameras are off." Or the time I was carrying PVC pipes at home depot and my dad turns to point at a black family shopping and says "watch out how you hold that pipe, they might think its a spear!" Can't tell you how many times people have straight up just accused anyone of middle eastern decent just blatantly say they are Muslim and out to kill/rape/pillage. I've seen and interacted with plenty of people who still throw the hard R for absolutely no reason other than having the audacity of being black in public.
It isn't about us vs them and it shouldn't be about using poor argumentation for the sake of ideological purity that just adds ammo to the side you want to defeat Admitting what is a role reversal about this situation isn't feeding any white supremacist agenda Thinking in such terms means you're willing to play ideological games rather than get to a true and pragmatic solution in my opinion.
Also i'd take MrRalgoman's words with a grain of salt. He says racism is racism no matter what. But given the amount of evidence i found from scrounging his posts on his profile. https://puu.sh/B8mys.png https://puu.sh/B8mzt.png https://puu.sh/B8mBj.png https://puu.sh/B8mCJ.png https://puu.sh/B8mE4.png https://puu.sh/B8mDj.png https://puu.sh/B8mFF.png https://puu.sh/B8mGb.png https://puu.sh/B8mN3.png https://puu.sh/B8mxH.png https://puu.sh/B8mFg.png https://puu.sh/B8mLy.png So given from the list i have procured here. He constantly downplays the severity of the holding camps and says people are overreacting, says ICE is just "Doing its just job and its the Law", ignores news information that doesn't go with his world view, has said that the camps are better than crossing the border, tried to defend a Pro-Trump food-cart owner who made up a lie about protestors attacking his truck, ignores sexual assault when its committed by individuals that align with his political beliefs and thinks it was the women's fault for it happening, has rated a video of children literally crying for their parents when they were separated by government individuals with the rating "Baby", believes he is being persecuted as a white adult male in the motherfucking US of A, probably the last place you'd ever get persecuted for that. And the cherry on top of all of this. BELIEVES THE NAZIS WERE LEFT LEANING AND WERE SOCIALISTS. even though the Nazis are a far-right movement that is only "Socialist" by name. His whole "Schtick" of "Racism is bad, no matter what" is nothing but a terribly hidden ruse. I stand on the idea that all Racism is bad no matter what. But what MrRalgoman is doing here is to trick people by downplaying racism under the guise of "All Racism is bad". He views some dipshit on twitter spouting idiotic ramblings about white people as the equivalent of the persecution that other minorities have experienced in the United States. Mostly to downplay the actual terrible shit that has happened to minorities and other groups throughout the history of the united states. Causing grouping something very tame with something very severe tends to downplay the severity of the problem. So his true goal is not "All racism is bad", his end game is "Racism ain't that bad..."
I'm glad that you know more about me than I know about myself, Jesus Christ man. How hard is it to say that she fucked up and she should suffer the consequences just as anyone else in her situation would have to suffer if their remarks were towards a minority.
I already said she fucked up. But you want to group it with the rest, which is bullshit.
https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1025437806775226368 good thread
OK at this point I'm more convinced New York Times should in fact have fired her.
Man, America has such a creepy fucking obsession with race it's crazy. Class matters way more than race.
Most countries didn't have to fight a civil war to free millions of black slaves, and don't have a huge portion of the population that still think that war was unjustified. We're obsessed with race because a whole bunch of our fellow Americans are fucking racist (especially if you live in the south), and want to make things as hard for the non-white man as possible. Enough that they'll literally vote against their own interests as long as it screws over the man of color more. https://i0.wp.com/gazed.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/quote-i-ll-tell-you-what-s-at-the-bottom-of-it-if-you-can-convince-the-lowest-white-man-he-lyndon-b-johnson-107-70-60.jpg?w=850
They're conflating the two issues. They constantly try to fix class issues with race measures (however inaccurate that really is). I don't think they'll implement class permeability measures any time soon considering even the simplest things like basic healthcare are decried as "socialism". If anything, they're constantly eroding that option further by defunding the education system. That seems to have been a long-term trend, but it also looks like current republicans are working extra hard to give no-one without a wealthy family a chance to work towards a stable future.
Bad thread actually, he just term searched the word "white", putting everything he finds in there completely ignoring context and including things that are completely benign like "even white people in oakland are afraid of cops" and "ugh, do I *have* to write a few sentences about white supremacist patriarchy?" and "white men are well represented in congress" This is transparent, just trying to slime her. The thread actually made him come across as a nazi due to the way he talks about white genocide so I scrolled down his TL just a bit... Oh nice, retweeting for real nazis an hour ago. Yikes. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/159354/699ce32d-a58d-4c25-8b06-cf4c0bbc280e/Screen Shot 2018-08-04 at 10.34.02 AM.png Nazis love twisting words and pretending to care about things like racism and using definitions of racism that weaken PoC's struggles. You are all currently at a high risk of being unable to distinguish between good faith and bad faith arguments and bad guys will take advantage. Don't fall for it.
Why would they fire someone who fits right in with the rest of the NYT editorial writers?
She's not wrong, us white people are forced to live as goblins in caves because of our inferior skin, therefore she isn't racist because it's correct. I haven't left my cave in about 20 years now, every time I try the sun literally seers into my flesh.
Don't forget Ralgo has whined in the past about how he's a poor discriminated against white man. While living in the same area I live in which I can say with complete confidence is not an area I've ever seen anything resembling actual discrimination against white people. If anything the opposite is true but even that's pushing it. Last time I made the mistake of walking outside without a full body covering outfit I burst into flames. Now my family's bankrupt due to the medical costs.
No, but a dog raising it's paw in a Nazi salute, something that is satirical, is definitely not the same as hate speech.
I wouldn't say it does if this was the only time you said something,, but your post history is more than enough of a message of what your agenda actually is. You've had a shitpost history on new punch and worse on old punch. She was reprimanded and given a warning. I know you get a massive boner seeing a minority getting the stick for mocking white people, but with the frequency and cultural oppression minorities already receive every single day, a few tweets making jokes at white people is like child's play. Especially with the current political climate where you have shit like this: https://youtu.be/_TJS7cleb7E being played on the TV, and the person being dead serious.
Do you actually want the nuances of this situation explained to you or is this another drive by shitpost in a thread you're planning to bail out of again when people actually start to engage in discussion with you and start asking questions and looking for explanations about your positions as the discussion progresses, like the last one? Is this an invitation to an earnest discussion about the nuances of race and racial humor and the circumstances leading up to the NYT's decision to stake their name and reputation on this journalist's integrity? Or is this just a drive by shitpost you have no intention of following through on?
Good one FO, you missed my point entirely. The severity of her actions warrant a slap on the wrist (which she received). She was reprimanded, what more do you want exactly? They're 4 years old tweets that happened before she even got the job. People defended a dude for teaching his pug to jump at gassing the jews under the guise of it being a joke, why does this not get a pass? Even worse, he ended up joining alt-right groups promoting hate or spreading conspiracies. And before you try to leap saying she connects to millions and dank doesn't, Dank made headlines, gained followers, and still has tons of views on his videos daily with alt right propping him as a messiah. You can't just flip your opinion on a dime. Alt right have found aiming for low hanging fruits and digging for any kind of evidence of misconduct is the best way to undermine entire site. NYT knows that's exactly why they reported, and decided to not fall for their bullshit and give them even more ammo to keep attacking journalist/Hollywood/politicians who said stupid shit from years ago. Dank didn't deserve jail time, but all that hate towards him was justified considering how big of a piece of shit he is before the incident and especially now. Its just funny you say:
Someone who appears to earnestly hold hateful, racially discriminatory beliefs should not be working for as prestigious an organization as the NYT. She should be fired. The difference between this and Count Dankula is that there is no indication that the dude actually is a Jew-hating white supremacist. She posted discriminatory tweets for a period of years, that can't be blown off as 'hah hah just kidding I was just being sarcastic for literally years on end with no indication that I was joking'.
I'm getting bad ratings for this but this guy is going through someone's twitter timeline looking for just the word "white" and posting it as a massive thread where like 3/4 of her tweets are innocuous, while at the same time retweeting nazis he agrees with. What does it look like when someone whines about racism against whites and then immediately turns around and retweets a nazi group? Also You managed to pick the one single post that was actually debunked and is actually explained/shown to be a joke in this thread. I'll repost the explainer now: https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1025484876278112261 Even you didn't get the full context, the actual explanation to this is that she was satirizing sully. People are intentionally stripping at least some of her posts of context and putting them in the big collations.
Unless it's actually proven that she's racist and that the posts in the compilations aren't bantz it's hard to feel bad because those posts didn't hurt anyone. It'd have to go from dumb jokes to an actual personal character judgement.
I found it very difficult to actually find the original posts because everyone keeps reposting the images and not the tweets themselves. And it's hard to actually understand the original context when you do find it because there are a bunch of comments from the other day giving her shit for said comments. the internet was a mistake.
I could same the exact same shit when you say: Tell me Feeble, why do you like defending such a horrible bigot?
Did you read this thread? She posted racist tweet after racist tweet- most completely out of the blue- for at least two years. If it were just a random angry tweet in response to online harassment that would be one thing, but when she consistently tweeted out hateful, prejudiced garbage for literally years without provocation it is utterly ridiculous to claim that it's just being taken out of context. It absolutely is a personal character judgment, unless you're inexplicably willing to ignore a documented history of racially prejudicial statements.
I did and mentioned that here: New York Times writer Sarah Jeong won't be fired after making ra.. The dude making the thread dug through her entire timeline looking for the word "white", all the tweets are stripped of context, some tweets are completely benign, the dude himself after crawling through her entire timeline scrubbing for evidence retweets literal neo nazis talking about other topics so he's sus AF, operating in bad faith and it's not possible to take what he says seriously due to that. A different, good-faith analysis is required.
I don't think explaining the nuances is helpful, since contextualizing these quotes is usually just where things turn into ideological justification for asymmetry and double standards. What people are interested in is the fact that there is one problematic underpinning of left-wing values, which has grown following first with the 60s with legal equality and second with the erosion of our middle class, seen in a focus on equity and deeper sources of injustice. The problem with it is that this kind of politics is much more totalizing, it affects the individual and local community while placeing greater emphasis on the state and institutions to fix things. It is inherently is asymmetric in response to the lack of uniformity and equal outcomes in nature, not just our social system and the small piece of history it's a part of. This idea that, for there to be equality, there must be historically corrective inequality isn't new, it's probably compensation for when a very universalist, egalitarian idea system is dealt a bad hand in the form of a messy world where nothing is uniform and success/power isn't randomly and equally distributed. We can see that thought at work here: That is why internationalism on the part of oppressors or "great" nations, as they are called (though they are great only in their violence, only great as bullies), must consist not only in the observance of the formal equality of nations but even in an inequality of the oppressor nation, the great nation, that must make up for the inequality which obtains in actual practice. When you cite historical context to contextualize and excuse chauvinistic behavior, you are not compensating for some greater inequality and therefore abolishing injustice, you are perpetuating a cycle of conflict that compromises democracy by proposing an arrangement that doesn't equally serve all interest groups of society. You are just flipping another inequality on its head, which is not equality. This is why people are increasingly insisting on a gap between liberalism and progressivism.
4 years, over 1000 tweets. That's some impressive dedication to mimicking, but in her place, it would take me a few weeks at most to see that it worked (and stop because there's no need anymore) or that it didn't work (and stop because it doesn't work). She's not very smart, saying something she doesn't believe for years in hopes it will have the desired effect eventually.
https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/404814522306662401 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/862871081475915776 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/858673684155944961 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/611293572621565954 The New York Times: Even our employees think that we are fucking garbage! And people keep wondering why more and more people call out garbage journalism these days.
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