Young Americans are rejecting capitalism in huge numbers following Bernie...
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Capitalism is a system that conditions people to become those "rotten apples" though, and that empowers them.
Problem is there weren't enough legal protections put in place to ensure that the New Deal's programs continued throughout the ages. There was actually plans by Roosevelt to unveil a "Second Bill of Rights" that ensured a number of social rights to the public, including healthcare, food and water, labor, and other finer points. Sadly he died before he could unveil the full list of right and the plans for it, but it would have been a good legal basis for years to come. Proper legal insurances as well as a watchful public eye would allow any social democracy to last for a while, and even if not, then our best bet would be a cycle in which corporations are busted and broken apart and the laws are rewritten to strengthen them against such a cycle to ensure the strongest we can be.
But that's the point. They're government run services that everyone can access. If they were privatized, then you'd need to pay to access them.
shocker.
guess people are pissed off at the thought of working for nothing for their entire fucking lives and getting fuck all for it.
Damn, maybe we should get rid of the single greatest producer of wealth, stability, health and prosperity the human race has ever devised cause I don't want to have to work for what I get I want to have it all now for free! and also no one should have more than me because I don't really care about the poor as a middle class socialist, I just really hate the rich!
gee the generation that came of age during the great recession might have a few thoughts on the failings of modern capitalism...
or maybe we're all just spoiled entitled gits.
You're still one step behind the rest of the world.
Regulations are all fine and good so you don't get price-gouged, but it's still pragmatically better for everyone in society to pay into a single payer system.
The comparison is completely on point. There is no reason why healthcare should be a private service, just like there is no reason why law enforcement should be a private service, or firefighters should be privatized.
No one in a first world country, especially not "the greatest country in the world™" should have to decide between gas, food and electricity
but of course an ignorant american would think that's how the whole world works
I have to admit that the terminology is a bit confusing and easy to get wrong. Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Market Socialism, etc. There should be a new name for it that isn't easy to lump into Marxist-Leninist like our status quo loves to do.
Europe just uses social democrat tbh.
The fact that "Completely insane and unsustainable economic policies" and "the idea and concept of being for a better society" are both definitions of "socialist" is the best thing to happen to fearmongering far-right people.
I was clearly parodying the comments on here and not the article, I don't think the American form of capitalism is "the best" at all and I didn't say so, but clearly allowing people to capitalize on their labor is a good thing and has produced a world better than any that has existed before it so the people bitching and moaning (on a forum and computer that only exists because of capitalism) need a little perspective.
Please tell that to the fucking crashes we have at nearly on time 10 year basis because we keep re-regulating and then deregulating because you fuckwits piss and whine when you can't abuse the system.
So going completely off the rails in an insane hyperbolic tangent that has nothing to do with the issue at hand is your way of responding to the clear immorality and unfairness in the current system? Hand-wave away legitimate concerns with "We all just hate rich people" seems to you a sensible way of continuing the discussion?
The "clear parody" doesn't exist when your post is instead the clearest example of Poe's law I've ever seen.
The Internet was invented under the aegis of US government supervision and funding. Oops.
The networks which existed before it (ARPANET, NSFNET, CERNET) and the protocols used in those networks (TCP/IP, FTP, CIDR, EGP and BGP) were all done on government funding at institutes of learning too. Capitalism only came in once telecom companies realised they could make money hand over fist for doing actually nothing.
yeah and hospitals over here are government owned (there are still private hospitals). also single payer healthcare will save america more money in the long run than it's current system.
Yeah, people are realizing this whole American Dream thing is a load of horse shit, It is a carrot on a stick.
Cost of goods, homes, and just everything in general has risen. Wages are stagnate, people have entire households working or have multiple jobs to keep up. Hell, most people cannot even afford to get sick because missing a day off work and seeing a doctor will screw them over (Missing out on a days pay and paying someone to tell you you are sick).
Poverty is a cruel bitch and the system deliberately set up to keep you in poverty. This system only works for those who have money and are in power, everyone else gets screwed. I know it is a real extreme way of looking at it, but it is a reality for most people. The gov't needs to provide basic fundamental protections and rights for its citizens, it isn't right that people die prematurely because they don't have money or access to adequate services.
We don't need to seize the means of production, but we do need to evolve past our current conception of capitalism, the economy, and wealth as an end goal of a person and of a society, rather than what it really should be: a means to uplift and improve the condition of both the individual and the society. It's like thinking that the engine is the purpose of the car. Changing times and technology will require our beliefs about work and wealth to change, unless we wish to live under corporate neo-feudalism.
What the nation needs is Universal Healthcare just as we have the NHS.
Don't get me wrong, it has its flaws and especially so since the shithead Tories made cutbacks but I would sooner burn the Houses of Parliament to the ground and slash the throats of a dozen politicians than see it removed by any stretch. Without it many family members and friends I've personally known and many more who I don't would either be seriously ill or otherwise dead if they didn't have access to the NHS.
Even if there are some who may take advantage of the NHS at the taxpayer's expense I would still resort to violence if need be to keep it in place. Just because it is flawed (and again, a large psrt of it is due to the current Conservative government defunding and subtly reducing it in favour of stealth-privatisation) doesn't mean it needs to go.
The current US system of insurance (which half the time tries to weasel its way out of covering people) or crippling debt is a shitshow and whilst it would be a step forward regulation by itself is not a long term solution. Too privatised and for-profit, the USA needs a state healthcare system accessible to alls.
Don't need it? Got private healthcare insurance? Good for you. Don't want to pay for others? Tough shit, you pay for taxes which go into the government's pockets and ostensibly pay for other state services and the military.
It should be a damned right and not a privilege to have access to healthcare, especially not for a country which is among the wealthiest and most powerful economies in the world.
Wild that some people genuinely don't believe that life saving medical treatment isn't a civil right because "fuck you I got mine"
You know your entire society would have a lot less misery and crime and death if your system extended this baseline of human compassion to those less fortunate than yourselves
America is funny in how 'Christian' it seems on the surface, but apparently Jesus in the Americanized bible said; "Don't do as I do and don't do as I say".
Whereas their idol was depicted like a Super Powered Socialist in the OG manga.
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How does capitalism have anything to do with capitalising on your labour? This is an absolutely delusional statement. There are two kinds of people in a capitalist society, the capitalist who capitalises on the labour of others in return for a small amount of the profit which their labour produces. They make up a tiny portion of the population. Then there are the labours. These people are essentially tools to the capitalist. Some are expensive and valuable, yes. Some may even become capitalists themselves. But most are cheap and easily replaceable. If they break, you can easily afford another one in order to get the work done. And if you don't want to become a tool, then your only other option is poverty and ruin.
If anything, with socialism you get the most benefit from your own labour than in any other system.
Let's break it down.
Feudalism = breaking your back so that your lord could take most of the produce for himself while you starve on whatever is left
Capitalism = breaking your back so that your employers can keep most of the profits for themselves while allowing you a small amount as an incentive to continue the hard work
Socialism = breaking your back so that you and the rest of your community can share together the fruits of your labour while you benefit from the fruits of their labour in a mutually beneficial arrangement
ive had private healthcare in countries like italy and its ten times cheaper than what it would be in the US for similar procedures. I really dont get these people who actually buy into the nonsense that US healthcare is expensive because other people arent paying for it, you're the fucking dupe. Its expensive because they're raping you and they know you cant do shit about it
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