Trudeau formally announces he'll run again in next year's election - Polidicks

Of course, but it's important to look further than just the number to realize what makes up the numbers. First of all let's get an insight into who has conducted the most recent approval polls for trump and the sample sizes they used. I'm getting this information from FiveThirtyEight. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1303/ee20506e-f613-416b-b562-abb5826659d8/firefox_2018-08-20_18-12-23.png As you can see from my image different polls have different weights assigned based on the sample size they were working with. Sure you may see "OH GOD RASMUSSEN REPORTS FOUND OUT THAT 48% OF THE US APPROVES OF TRUMP"... until of course you realize that 1,500 people is a small number and that through the magic of math we can dwindle down the numbers. 720 people voted that they approved of Trump. But does it really correlate to the whole country? 720 is 0.00022106232729506% of 325,700,000 people living in the united states. Of course the main thing is that approval polls aren't indicative of a national option of Trump. Polls will always be limited by their sample size, the area the poll takes place, if the methods they use are secure and unbiased. Am I saying that Trump supporters don't exist? Of course not. But there's evidence that shows that Trump's support among individual states is dwindling. Sure it's not an immediate overnight overthrow but the key thing is that most of the people who were blind enough to follow trump's bold faced lies are slowly waking up. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1303/d84035cf-0416-466d-abdf-570114d3387d/firefox_2018-08-20_18-32-49.png Breaking away from the Topic of the Giant Orange Cheeto to instead to talk about Trudeau for a bit, As an democrat living through easily the worst U.S. Presidency of the modern era, I can say that I wholeheartedly support Trudeau's run for reelection. Canada is a great country and it shouldn't be forced to endure the hell I and many Americans are suffering through. I would rather have our maple friends from the north go with staying with the "status quo" than try to do something extreme that America has done.

Basically the worst Trudeau has done so far is promise electoral reforms and then after getting elected pretty much said 'sike!'

Honestly, although I'm bummed about him not keeping the electoral reform promise I'm also not dusional enough to believe it would have been easy to keep. Yes, they do have the majority but I'm willing to bet the Conservatives would have fought them every step of the way any way they could. There is still hope they could takle it if they get reelected but I wouldn't get too optimistic.

He's just status Quo. Legalizing weed is going to give him a nice support boost, but all in all he hasn't really done anything great, or anything awful.

That's the "worst" from a perspective of someone who likes him. He's fucked up on just about every trade mission he's gone on, a bunch of them because he wanted some "feminist" clause shoved into a bloody trade deal, made an international embarrassment of himself on a trip to India, , his caucus is complaining of him using worse strong-arm tactics than Harper by bringing unelected policy advisors into meetings that are supposed to be elected officials only to intimidate the backbenchers, he's trying to make it nigh impossible to prove innocence in a sexual assault trial as a reactionary measure to the Jian Ghomeshi trial, he's making it legal for the police to take a roadside blood sample, without cause, a warrant, or medical training, he's enacting stricter gun control that's not going to actually do anything, claiming it will do things, while at the same time lowering the sentences for gun smuggling, and he's been playing PC identity politics. I also firmly believe the only reason he won the leadership race in the first place was because of his name. He was a part-time teacher and ski instructor who dropped out of university at least once, going up against Canada's fist astronaut, Marc Garneau, who was also an officer in the Air Force and the former head of the Canadian Space Agency. Trudeau won based on his name alone, I still think Garneau was the better choice and I'd have voted Liberal if he was leader. The fact that Scheer is a nobody, yet the Conservatives are still neck-and-neck with the Liberals in the polls, should have Trudeau squirming. If the NDP hadn't fucked up and chosen such a shitty leader, Trudeau would be done for next election. Jagmeet Singh is the only reason Trudeau might win the next election, if there were a strong NDP then we'd be seeing a Conservative government in 2019.

Could I get a source on that? Nah not really, you're making mountains out of molehills if you think that wasn't merely awkward. Can I get a source on these? Fair enough. I can't fault you for that. Hopefully the conservatives won't win. BTW I don't respect him as a politician because of it, not because of really superficial things like "PC politics" or somesuch. Trudeau rescinding his promive was a real blow to Canadian democracy and just demonstrate that the only thing he's really good for is just preventing the conservatives from taking power and fucking up 10 times harder than he ever could. If you must know, I voted NDP in the last elections.

China rejects ‘progressive’ elements of free trade deal with Can.. https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/canada-and-india-cant-seem-to-make-a-trade-deal-heres-why/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-tpp-canada-not-ready-apec-1.4398824 "But Trudeau said there is still much "important work to be done," namely on the creation of a gender rights chapter..." https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/11/26/gender-chapters-in-trade-deals-could-become-standard-canadians-argue-in-nafta-negotiations.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau-india-trip-1.4556209 Barkha Dutt https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-troubles-facing-justin-trudeau-on-his-first-state-visit-to-india/ https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/asia/extremist-scandal-trudeau-india-visit-intl/index.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/22/justin-trudeaus-india-trip-renewed-scrutiny-links-sikh-terrorist/ There's critical articles from 3 different countries about his trip to India and how much of a shitshow it was. https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/83us9h/upcoming_gun_bill_scaring_the_hell_out_of_the/ Source is paywalled. For backbenchers. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/sarah-e-leamon/i-cant-support-a-bill-that-compromises-an-accuseds-rights-in-sexual-assault-cases_a_23257378/ For the sexual assault bill, and this is from the notoriously left-wing HuffPo. More sources: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/sexual-assault-bill-gets-few-changes-from-mps-despite-lawyers-concerns-over-reverse-disclosure-provision https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/author/michael-spratt/the-ghomeshi-rules-bill-c-51-creates-unprecedented-case-of-reverse-disclosure-3658/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/lawyers-sexual-assault-changes-1.4150271 For roadside blood tests: https://www.narcity.com/news/canadians-are-livid-over-the-new-impaired-driving-laws-that-allow-officers-to-give-roadside-blood-tests The only thing I can find in the actual law about it is that the Attorney General can designate whoever they want as approved to take blood tests. However there is undeniable, without-cause roadside saliva and breath tests, which many lawyers are saying is a blatant violation of the right against unreasonable search and seizure. And much like Harper, Trudeau is ignoring lawyers telling him his laws are illegal and passing them anyways. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canadas-impaired-driving-laws-just-got-a-huge-and-controversial-overhaul-heres-what-you-should-know https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/impaired-driving-changes-1.4084630 Lawyers are just waiting for the chance to represent the one martyr who'll fight to get the no-cause tests shot down as the unconstitutional pile of crap that they are.

Yeah, just what Canada needs, to bring back the regressive bunglers. No thanks, 9 years of their terrible polices was enough.

I'm not too familiar with Canadian politics but when I hear about Trudeau, the reception seems to mixed, maybe slightly favorable. On the other hand, I've literally never heard a kind word said about Stephen Harper. From what I've gathered it feels like Trudeau, like an American Democrat, only enjoys this mixed level of support because his most viable opposition is even worse.

Thank you for the links. I hope you forgive me if I don't go over all the articles right away but I'm gonna read a few right now. Skimming around, if you don't care about the well being of other people around the world from the effects of unregulated capitalism because the only important thing to you is economic growth then yeah he fucked up the trade deals by wanting other countries to adopt labor conditions similar to ours. It's disingenuous to say that it's just because of a "feminist" clause: One potential challenge added by the Liberals is its championing of “progressive trade,” with the government seeking to include accords on gender, the environment, labour and human rights in preliminary talks with China and treaties like the Trans Pacific Partnership. It's literally just one small part of the accord. I don't think it's wrong to ask "hey could uh you perhaps not drive your workers to suicide and maybe treat women with the same rights as men?" Even Canadian officials were skeptical at first, the documents suggest. “Our first reflex was to say that (free trade agreements) are gender-neutral,” said the document. “But are the effects gender-neutral? We began to realize that not all are. ”Only one in five exporting firms is led by a female entrepreneur, the document points out, along with research from the World Bank that showed a vast number of countries do not give women the same legal rights as they do men when it comes to doing business. I think, again, it's not wrong to ask "can you not treat your women as second class citizens"? I think it's pretty weak of westerners to basically have no backbone when it comes to having any kind of conviction in their own values just because we like cheap phones and sneakers. If you think that Trudeau is putting too much of an emphasis on that than fair enough but I don't agree with that. He fucked up much harder than I thought, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I also discovered this article concerning the NPD's current leader somewhat troubling: https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/jagmeet-singh-criticised-for-glorifying-khalsa-chief-accused-of-1985-ai-bombing/story-IgxnOXy8p7NVgj2K8J61GO.html Who knows, maybe he rescinded that since last year but I'll chat to my brother about it who's pretty pro-NDP. To be honest I'm willing to take your word for it on this, it's not too hard for me to believe he'd push for these things just merely because of the fact that it seems like it's almost a rule any politician no matter how progressive advocates for SOME kind authoritarian measures because "nanny state". Those things are fucked up and Trudeau should get his shit pushed for it but I still don't believe for a second that the Conservatives wouldn't have been 10 times worse, especially because people like Harper are very intelligent which makes any of their schemes extremely dangerous. In the end, I still hold my opinion that most of those things really pale in comparison to his broken electoral reform promise simply for the fact that it severely weakened Canadian democracy and our trust in the political institutions. It really was a bald-faced lie. Unfortunately, as unfortunate as it sounds Trudeau really was the lesser of two evils. I may have voted for the NDP but I sure am glad the liberals got in instead of the conservatives. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my original post and your civility. You did inform me concerning some facts I wasn't aware of. I'm willing to hear any followup reply or opinion on your part should you wish to chat about this further.

I don't think they were as bad as I keep seeing on the internet, but that's also because I tend to frequent places with a left-wing bias, which means they seem to think Harper was Satan incarnate. The few right-wing places I go to say the same about Trudeau. The reality is that neither of them is anywhere near as bad as the people who hate them think they are/were. Frankly, I didn't like Harper much either, but I'd personally rather have had 4 more years of him than Trudeau. And I'd rather have had Garneau than either of them.

What do you think of the fact that Stephen harper basically wanted to push the narrative that global warming didn't exist and did everything it his power to fuck around with federal climate research just so it wouldn't prove him wrong? I guess pollution is ok as long as we get more jobs.

He gave some weak-ass "Terrorism is bad, m'kay" response after about a month of being shat on for having no backbone and being too worried about pissing off the Sikhs who make up his base to criticize Sikh terrorism and that dude in particular. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/03/14/jagmeet-singh-condemns-terrorism-after-report-he-spoke-at-sikh-rally-in-2015.html He didn't even condemn Sikh terrorism or the Air India bomber specifically, and it was only after a video of him at a rally that was supposedly glorifying a terrorist came out that he did it. I don't much like China, or their treatment of their citizens, but I think trade deals should be focused on the economic benefits for each country. Even among other western countries with similar civil rights to ours, like America, he was pushing gender clauses based on the widely debunked wage gap. When you start trying to coerce other countries to bend to your personal opinion to do business with your country, you end up pissing them off, and cost not just trade deals, but trade in general. There is a time and a place to criticize China's bullshit, and when you're trying to get them to give you shit is not that time. Trying to force that stuff into NAFTA has also harmed our country significantly since it's part of what's led to no deal so far, and here in Ontario is where trade negotiations falling apart is going to have the greatest effect.

If it's not at the negotiating table where we'll have the biggest sway, where? If it's not now, when people are choking form dust strom in India and workers jumping off of Chinese factory balconies, when? It's easy to throw up our hands in the air and say "nothing can be done" but there's a lot of blood shed on all the products we buy every day and I think this attitude of "screw you, I got mine" towards other citizens of the world is not only gross but dangerous as well.

At the time I agreed with that sentiment, it wasn't until basically the last term of his that I realized that it was incredibly hypocritical of me to deny the consensus of more than 90% of climate scientists, yet say that research says gun control is ineffective so we should repeal it. And the muzzling of scientists hasn't gone away. It's not as bad, but it's still present. https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/muzzled-scientists-1.4545562 And if we're going to speak about just one point here, Trudeau dismissing opinions different than his on social issues as "bigoted" regardless of context or argument presented is the same kind of thing, but in a different field, and he's been going this since he got elected, in part as a way to avoid answering questions.

That line of thinking is what got Trump elected and Brexit to happen. MAGA, America First, Fuck Europe, get the immigrants out. We have to cooperate with countries that share the same values as us and confront those that don't. I don't think it's morally right to profit from the suffering of others and Canada is complicit in that if we're willing to trade goods borne out of slave labor.

That line of thinking is what any good world leader should have. If you don't think of your people first and what's best for them you have no business leading them. To try and say that what Trump is doing is what's best for America is absolutely ridiculous. Trump is the result of ignorant isolationism, and I'm not willing to simply dismiss Brexit as being nothing but "racism" or whatever. Having a strong leader who cares first about their own people is not what gets you Trump, and frankly it's not the kind of leader Trump is either. Putting your country's best interests first does not mean isolationism, frankly it's likely to mean the opposite, and it does not mean xenophobia because immigration can be beneficial to a nation, but it also means knowing when to pick your battles, and this is something Trudeau has been absolutely shit at. Trudeau doesn't have Canadians' best interests in mind when he goes to the negotiating table, he has his ideology's best interests in mind, and that is hurting Canada.

Fair enough. He's shit at his job and isn't a very good PM but it literally makes no sense to believe he doesn't actually think he's doing the right thing. After all, it's not like any corporate entity is benefiting from this, there's no conflict of interest. On the other end you have the Conservatives who DEMONSTRABLY work against the interest of the Canadian people by selling the country out to the highest bidder no matter the cost. You can say his ideology is shit, fair, but that's the platform he was elected on so you just dislike his platform in this case. If Trudeau is hurting Canada then the Conservatives would gladly murder it outright.

Imagine saying Trudeau doesn't have Canadians best interests at heart and then praising Harper who outright and overtly fucked Canadians over.

That's a torturous route to take to the correct conclusion but I guess the fact that you came around is good enough. StrawberryClock's assertion to me seemed to be the that the attacks against climate change were coming from the highest echelons of Canada's government. Reading this article it seems that has changed, but mid-level managers haven't gotten the message. Putting aside the fact that conservatives play political correct identity politics fuck fuck games just as much as liberals do, acknowledging and therefore formulating solutions to global warming is far more important than whatever inane social justice nonsense Trudeau does or doesn't believe in.