Portland antifa attack fellow counter-protestor carrying American flag
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What an obvious way to show ignorance. Not only are most antifa protests very peaceful, but protesting is only one part of antifa's activities
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please for the love of god actually post news threads about the peaceful ones and their other activities instead of saying "actually this is only a small part" in threads like this. using it as a "haha gotcha you're actually ignorant!!!" just shows me you don't actually care about people actually coming around to supporting antifa. if you've seen so much evidence of all the good, peaceful protests antifa have done, post it! it might not be the most exciting news piece, to see a peaceful protest, but it would do wonders to improve their reputation, far more than arguing with people post facto a news story like the OP.
No news website is gonna post many protests where everything goes well and nothing goes wrong
Then why don't you actively seek out and report on positive Antifa events and post them to General Discussion? If you feel that Antifa is so misrepresented here on FP, then that shouldn't be too much work.
then post where you see it happening, post fucking tweets from people on the ground, anything more than what amounts to "you're ignorant, here is the truth: NO EVIDENCE, TAKE ME AT MY WORD".
where do you see something going smoothly, usually? what lead you to believe that there are dozens upon dozens of antifa protests where everything goes smoothly and all is well? was it from primary sources, IE people on the ground? secondary sources, people saying "yeah my friend said it went well!"? tertiary sources, which is a bunch of other people saying that there are dozens of antifa protests that go well? anything, ANYTHING, more than just your word.
this is why there needs to be some organization, somebody to control optics, somebody posting about all the demonstrations that went well to some website or, fuck, even a facebook page. maybe something like this already exists, i wouldn't know because i'm not going to seek that shit out if there will be no effort to direct people to it. it would be dumb as fuck to expect people to do that at all.
Saw this earlier, regarding this dude -
https://twitter.com/backlitfont/status/1031976084747636736
So... he was asking for it?
That's an awful long way of saying "But he deserved it because of what he was wearing he was carrying a flag." It's just baseless victim blaming.
Nah, it was definitely shitty of him to get whomped on, but his presence in the first place / jump to the press is sus.
"Self described 'civil engineer'" acting as though that's some dog-whistle bullshit when it's an actual profession.
"He was suspicious" What does that even mean, he was carrying a flag.
"Immediately takes hi story to the press." Implying he wanted to get harassed to sell a story.
It's a baseless "I'm not saying he deserved it but he did." tweet that spineless wimps do to justify what happened. It's weasel word bullshit.
Literally anyone can claim to be antifa so it's not like peaceful protest is representative of them.
Jesus fucking christ, these idiots are more paranoid then some of the preppers and 3%ers I have talked too.
It's a p common conspiracy theory to call black bloc peeps plants put there to cause trouble, justify police violent reaction and diminish the legitimacy of the protest.
I recalled Alex Jones voicing this, so I went to try to find the video and I found one better! Alex Jones claiming authorities are encouraging homeless people to join the protest to make em look like a bunch of bums. It's even better than I imagined.
Actually looking more into it there does seem to be a basis - not for Alex Jones' theory but of "planted provocateurs"
G20 police 'used undercover men to incite crowds' | UK news | Th..
"men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon."
Another (albeit older example from canada)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police
"In April 1971, a team of RCMP officers broke into the storage facilities of Richelieu Explosives, and stole an unspecified amount of dynamite. A year later, in April 1972, officers hid four cases of dynamite in Mont Saint-Grégoire, in an attempt to link the explosives with the FLQ. This was later admitted by Solicitor General Francis Foxon October 31, 1977."
Also while searching (I'm linking trying to only give credible articles since conspiracy theories with their only source being conspiracy theory websites aren't really worth looking at) I found some "prank call" where someone posed as a Koch brother calling Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.
"While Walker doesn't say anything that appears immediately career-ending, when the fake Koch suggests putting "troublemakers" in the crowd of protesters who've been at the Wisconsin state capitol for eight consecutive days, presumably to discredit them, Walker says: "We thought about that.""
So to be clear there the prank caller suggested it but the governor, not realising it was a fake call, said he had thought about planting trouble makers in a protest. - The youtube video for this (along with others I tried to look at) has been removed for copy right infringement.
This video from the london 2011 riots shows a black bloc guy breaking into a bank and vandalising it, when the police enter the building blocking the door he apparently says "I'm a cop undercover" and they let him out.
I found other examples but they seem sorta shoddy - stuff like matching outfits or footage of "black bloc types" being allowed thru police lines (implying they're undercover cops) but that doesn't prove they're necessarily provocateurs.
Maybe it's not a totally loony conspiracy theory.
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