Eurosceptic MP resigns Labour Party whip of ‘antisemitism’
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Because they don't like Corbyn and because they trust the Tories with the economy (which is pretty funny). It's not really complicated that people can approve of policies but not of a party.
Yeah exactly, they don't like Corbyn and his weird shit. Some of the policies are fine (most of the good ones were just standard labour policies from the blair era) but it comes with all the Corbyn related baggage that nobody wants.
Weird shit like nationalising railways, royal mail or the energy industry? Because a clear majority of the public support it. Or stuff like banning zero hour contracts which also polled very favourably? Or do you mean freezing pension age increase I'm sure that's very unpopular? Hell even increasing income tax for high earners had public support. The most opposed policies were on a Brexit parliment veto and scrapping migration targets which are probably the closest you come to "standard labour policies from the blair era".
Nationalising the railways was labour policy before corbyn, same with zero hour contracts. Increasing the minimum wage to £10 an hour would be a disaster and just make it harder for people to get jobs in the first place making entering into the job market even more of a struggle, it's a policy that sounds nice on paper until its implemented and people realise that businesses will just hire less people. Same with increasing income tax which isn't really possible in a globalised world where capital is highly mobile.
https://action.labour.org.uk/page/-/A4%20BIG%20_PRINT_ENG_LABOUR%20MANIFESTO_TEXT%20LAYOUT.pdf
Nope, fraid not. You can't just pick policies you like (or other people like) and attribute them to previous labour peeps. Sure Miliband was left wing but Blair's new labour neo liberal platform is a world apart from Corbyn's plaform. Corbyn has democratised the party, giving members bigger say on policy and it has lead to significant (and popular) change to the platform. You might not like Corbyn but he has changed the party.
I'd say that labours unpopularity is coz of Corbyn's character, the cabinet and tory propaganda more than it is due to policy.
Miliband on railways was far from full nationalisation, it was allowing some parts of the railway to be in public ownership. We were discussing public support not how viable something is, minimum wage increase has public support and so does income tax increase for high earners. The idea that income tax increases doesn't work in the globalised world really doesn't track with reality in my limited knowledge. Tuition fees in particular is a silly thing to argue over since the way it works at the moment is costing the country more than it would otherwise. Sure students are usually ok under the system but the system literally is ridiculous, we pretend to balance our books with all this student debt we will collect only most of it ends up getting written off leaving the country picking up the slack anyway. I personally didn't mind Miliband and if he had been just a little bit more the left (like actually full nationalisation of railways) and also actually opposed austerity I wouldn't have had any real criticisms of him.
Yes it was, I literally remember all the discussion about it when it was happening.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-labour-re-nationalise-railways-3375137
It was at the least proposed as a policy during Ed's leadership.
Because, as we've been arguing, Corbyn is unfairly represented by the media. It's common knowledge that soundbites and headlines resonate more with public opinion than nuance and explained policy. During the election swathes of people were quizzed on policy, taken separately from whoever was pushing it. The majority were shocked to find out the policies they agreed with were policies proposed in the Labour manifesto.
Is it so hard to believe that most people either didn't read it or already had formed an opinion on the man based on negative press and the words of people like you? The anti Corbyn circus is no conspiracy. The LSE even published a paper on his representation in the media and found that only 11% of all newspaper articles about him bothered to state a single one of his policies.
http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf
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Almost three quarters of all stories failed to accurately report Jeremy Corbyn's actual views on subjects.
52% of all newspaper articles didn't mention Corbyn's actual views at all, while another 22% misrepresented his views or took them out of context.
Only one in five Daily Telegraph articles about Jeremy Corbyn even bothered to quote anything he had said whatever.
The worst offenders at misrepresenting Jeremy Corbyn's views/policies were the Evening Standard (39% of articles), Express (37%) and Telegraph (29%).
In the period between September 1st and his election as Labour leader on September 12th an astonishing 42% of all newspaper articles attempted to frame him as a communist.
0% of Daily Mail and Express articles presented Jeremy Corbyn's views/policies without alteration. The average across all newspapers was just 11%.
22% of all newspaper articles designated Jeremy Corbyn as "dangerous", rising to 50% of articles in the Telegraph and 63% of articles in the Express.
27% of Daily Mail articles portrayed Jeremy Corbyn as hating Britain
All newspapers ran significantly more critical articles than positive ones, including the supposedly left-liberal Guardian, Mirror and Independent. On average over 50% of articles about Corbyn were negative or highly critical, while less than 10% adopted a positive tone.
80% of Daily Express articles about Jeremy Corbyn used ridicule and scorn to delegitimise him. The other worst offenders at using ridicule tactics were the Daily Mail (54%), Evening Standard (47%) and Sun (45%).
The worst offenders at publishing personal attacks were the Express (40% of all articles) and the Evening Standard (26%).
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even as we're talking in this thread, you have yet to talk about a single thing proposed by the man (have you ever?) and have instead opted to attack his character or push the same dishonest headline soundbites found in the media. Is it really a surprise he didn't win the election given the majority of people don't actually know anything true about the man, never mind his policies?
It's almost like there's been an absolute deluge of negative press levelled at Labour since their politics started to shift further left.
Also what is it with these offhand comments about ~fake news~?
What, Donald Trump uses the term in reference to things he was literally recorded saying moments ago, and suddenly the whole idea of media dishonesty is farcical?
Were you not around for the last "scandal" where Corbyn was totally an IRA sympathiser because.... he was involved in work towards a peaceful resolution to the conflict in Ireland and that's the same thing as being a terrorist despite being... essentially the same thing Thatchers was doing in secret?
There's a very real debate about how much influence the media has. I remember a friend who studied politics telling me about how recent studies have shown that rather than the media influencing peoples opinions, people tend to gravitate to media that agrees with their already preheld opinions. So I honestly don't believe it's the media that are ruining Corbyn, other labour leaders have dealt with the same issue and won. You'll notice those papers will do the same with the Tory party on many occasions since they tailor their articles to what they think people want to hear about. I'm sure it has some effect no doubt, but likely very much exaggerated. In reality it's more likely people just don't like him.
Funnily enough this guy threatened to leave Labour years ago because it was, in his view, too relaxed on immigration, but suddenly when someone without his world view is running his party who has baseless bandwagon calls of antisemitism against him, he cares deeply for the put upon.
Also worth mentioning he'd lost a vote of confidence from members of his constituency party.
All begins to paint a bit of a picture that the guy is utterly full of shit.
"right wing element of the party" Lol another "Everyone I don't like is right wing"
Because of them, That why rest of Scottish voters (the biggest Left-wing bloc of nation) have make brave move to vote SNP since 2007 as punishment of not longer promoting Left-wing economical policies.
They used to be called "Tory-lite" for a reason.
Economically Neo-Liberals are right wing.
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