What is with old people and government officials trying to ruin the internet?
they want to control everything.
haha you think the tories won't do this but worse
power, control, money. three very strong incentives.
oi bruv, you got your porn license?
It's not even this, they are in the pockets of corporations and are passing legislation like this to earn a quick buck. This legeslation does not give the governments of Europe more control over the internet nor does it give it to the EU as a whole but to the corporations who own the copyrights of various works.
Happy to know all of my representatives voted against it.
Fucking wow. Only four countries out of 28 had a majority voting no. That sure gives me great hope that they'll pass all those nice amendments, like the one that protects memes. For real, I beta lot of these crusty old for voters couldn't even properly define what a meme is, let alone why it deserves to be protected from corporate copyright claims
It will be approved. There is no doubt about it.
The EU wouldn't fold to Google, that isn't how it works. If Google decided to do that, their position in any country is untenable and anti-trust suits would collapse them, it isn't that the EU wouldn't recover, its that Google would never recover. Google has reached such a stage where it is part of day to day life, however Governments won't fold to that as now Google is more or less forced to provide services as withholding services will mean fast replacements and legislation against it happening ever again.
This strikes me as incredibly naive. People aren't gonna' be calling for the heads of their government over Youtube and people aren't going to see "This law has made it unfeasible for us to continue operating within the EU, and as such we are ending all business there" as anything more than lip service. The people who care the most about accessing those services will find work arounds anyway.
More importantly Google blocking their service in the EU would be the single biggest opening for a competitor for all of their services in a long while. Suddenly all those obscure search engines have a shot at going big. Suddenly the video streaming service to replace Youtube that people always talk about actually has a foothold to work from. And all they have to do is seem to be generally complying with the proposal.
That's assuming Google actually gives a shit. I don't know where people in this thread get the impression that Google or Facebook actually care about fair use in any meaningful capacity.
The EU is going to remove all of my smutty fanfic
For real, you guys need to organize a campaign like SOPA. This is awful for people even outside the EU.
Wait, why does the UK still get to vote on these things? They've already invoked that they're leaving, they shouldn't be given the chance to trash the place on their way out.
That is the ongoing concerns, we've got the US and now the EU attempting to dominate on who can see and access what on the internet regardless of country. I'm concerned other countries are going to look at securing Tier 1 and 2 level networks to avoid being treaded on by these two.
The argument to be made though is the legislation makes it unsustainable for them to continue doing business. And if they're not doing business there at all, then suing becomes a lot more difficult and risks the EUs own power. Further, getting replacements up would be a monumental task. Try to quickly replace Gmail. Sure you can go to other email hosts but you won't have any data migration, you'd have millions of people trying to get in contact through alternative means to establish those new email addresses, you'd lose access to Google services for things like maps and Android in general.
People aren't going to take the issue to Google because they don't k ow any better. If Google tells them, "Sorry, EU law made it so we can't operate here anymore." And that is all anyone connecting from the EU sees, then that's what they'll believe. EU skepticism has been growing steadily for a while now, that would perfectly fit their portrayal of the EU. And as I said previously, those small little companies can't fill that void quickly. There would be likely weeks without anything close to a feasible replacement. And when the EU backs down eventually, Google just turns the lights back on and all the little competitors disappear again.
Google is absolutely in a position to do this, it's just nobody wants to go for the nuclear option yet.
They can make that argument and they will behind closed doors, any sane company won't put their users at risk just for a stand against the law as simple as these ones or else it would've been done already, it is pure suicide. Government doesn't take kindly to companies willing to do that, and know that if Google or any other tech company does it, they will do it again, thus taking away legalisation ability from the government effectively stopping the government from governing which is essentially a threat at sovereignty and governments will frame it like that, causing whatever tech company to basically collapse overnight. Tech companies can't put their foot down and if they do, they know its going to be a one time event.
If private business fails to provide, government will simply step into to provide those services or simply give competition a massive edge against whatever company decided to put its foot down. Tech companies know what they are doing, but this is a battle they can't fight.
They're doing it already. They're already ignoring regulations more and more and simply not paying fines. And the average person isn't going to see this as a threat to national sovereignty, they're going to see, "Regulations just screwing over businesses and costing me my internet." I mean they do it now with stuff that is actually beneficial and a legitimate reason o regulate them. Something like this? They'd have no contest. Further it doesn't matter what nation's do in the long run because in the immediacy their population is dead in the water for communication and their economy is going to be hit hard as businesses try to grapple with the loss of one of the largest tech companies and it's associated services, which many of them depend on for parts of their business.
I feel like the majority voting for this either have a huge tech industry lobbying them to pass it or represent areas or nations with very little internet law or access and don't really know what the big deal is.
They are able and willing to pay the fines, however this new era of fines ushered in by the EU is about global turnover, not profits made in Ireland, if they were ignoring the EU, Apple wouldn't of paid a massive amount into the Irish government to hold while the tax case goes through. The average person isn't going to blame the Government as the government will control the narrative in this situation and frame the laws as simple and easy to manage while blaming 'the US companies that act like they are bigger than democracy'. Multinationals are a very unpopular topic right now.
We won't see a move by tech companies as as you said, everything is dead in the water in the case they decide to cut ties, you understand that it becomes a security risk, governments will simply order in-country ISPs to begin redirecting to competitors as a temporary solution while building their own. I can even see the US government stepping in and forcing Silicon Valley to continue to provide services in the name of National Security. Removing Google etc from the playing field becomes an issue for the americans on data-collection. Google itself will become more or less a terrorist threat wanting to instil chaos.
I wonder what that is going to do to sites like Archive.org and Archive.is.
I certainly hope that will be able to continue their operations normally. They are integral to the internet if you ask me
How would a competitor to Google fare any better under the EU's new laws than Google themselves. A youtube-like site that only hosts 100 percent original content is not going to take off. I guarantee you far more people in Europe will use VPNs to continue accessing youtube than a theoretical competitor that won't even allow shitty meme videos that uses three seconds of a copyrighted music track.
So considering these articles heavily impact any service that operates within or with EU countries
how the hell do they work as directives? Every country is going to have a different flavour of content filtering and link tax rules at their leisure?
I can already tell that the only Bulgarian representatives that voted against this were the same 3 far-right/neo-nazi guys and the one socialist.
Rest of them are so obviously paid-off it's not even funny.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-43795806
What a time to be alive.
Did that article experience a rewrite since you posted this?
I can't find this quote. Ctrl-F doesn't even return results for "block".
Want to share this information with people who are panicking about "the memes are going to die," but I don't want to have an actual source to go with that. I don't mean any disrespect, but I don't trust your word alone to be enough to spread information.
You're in Russian, I'm surprised Putin even allows you on Facepunch.
Somehow that article got heavily rewritten, the quotes in my old post were made from that article at the time of writing that.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved
Seems it got quite a few rewrites.
Well google and other such companies are free to leave the market, which they've already done where the EU's piloted article 13, But that's just the problem, if it's untennable to do buisness in the EU for tech companies, they'll just fuck off. And if they're such integral parts of life now, the people will simply just be without them.
And that's the real concern about all this. Not only will this stifle an destroy free and fair competition as the only people able to compete are those who can afford to pay these liscences for literally anyone else's shit, but also only those who have a wide enough reputation that people will pay for their shit in turn. Meaning startups are dead before they get off the ground. This is going to lock in the status quo of whoever's at the top circle of organizations in every field right now, and it'll be a war of attrition over a long period of time as they get whittled down by outside circumstances for whatever reason, shrinking that clique of whatever organizations in whatever field are left standing, as no new competition can reasonably take it's place without substantial backing.
So it's an inevitible economic disaster, so punic that if one were to take a photo of the UN building or a sign with someone's brand on it, the UN or the people who own that brand own the copyright to your photo, not you (as to my understanding at least). This is darek savage's understanding of copyright made law. Really, at the end of the day the people of the EU will suffer under this as nobody can really do anything creative without fear of legal action being taken against them, and for service providers like google, facebook or the smallest server owner, frankly it's a fool's errand to do any of that under article 13
This whole thing got me like
http://i.heykidwannayiff.com/040f94.gif
Anyway, I feel like in the end, EU ends up with it's own version of the China's Great Firewall, but with content ID system in place that is even less competent than Youtube's current content ID system. If this gets passed, there's nothing really stopping them from doing that.
I'm also worried that they might start cracking down on VPNs after some time, because people would be using them to bypass the blocks
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