Boilrig is the lifeblood of this forum (THINKPIECE) - Polidicks

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Dude, you literally said that May wanting another snap election in November was 'not a bad plan'. You are so full of shit, you make septic tanks look clean.

From a conservative party point of view, yes, it is 'not a bad plan'. Not my own.

awww shit, why did sgman have to go. I remember when he first came to this forum because I was having a discussion with him(don't remember what about) but he was actually listening and interested in what I was talking about(the Act Up movement, this was a successful #Occupy movement from the 80s and it was done right)

I think most right wingers, or even centrists, just get gradually bored of posting. We've talked about this before but what's the point in posting when an entire thread is going to inevitably dogpile you? Plus, while doing so they often do what sgman said (ignore things they'd typically disagree with because it suits their political identity), strawman your point or downright call you names. It's happened to me multiple times here. Not that I agree with boilrig on much if anything... but he does fulfill a valuable purpose here. It actually speaks to his strength of will that his sharing of his opinions hasn't been silenced by the constant barrage of shit (ranging from outrage to downright vitriol) he gets the second he posts. In a way though, what's happened here is a microcosm of the wider world's political discourse. We've seen a massive move in recent years toward authoritarian, ideological sectarianism; if you don't believe exactly in the position of one group and their party line then you're [insert insult aimed at opposing ideaology here... i.e. bigoted/ignorant/economically illiterate]. It genuinely feels there is no longer a middle ground or a moderate viewpoint and I mean that as in in the past you could believe simultaneously in hard borders but generous state welfare for example.

You're like a kindergartner making up excuses but you're probably a full grown man.

It isn't an excuse. I personally wouldn't call an early election, however if they did, they'd have a platform that is literally all I'm saying.

Funny how that was your first thought and not "this is undemocratic as fuck" though like a certain referendum.

Labour isn't in government and can't call a referendum, the Conservatives are in government and can push to dissolve for an early election. A PM over here famously called an early election while drunk, and then lost.

Sgman was very good at civility, but for all his civil conversations and debates, he walked away with nothing from it, don't let his pandering kid you. He probably left because he felt like he wasn't making a difference in the views of those on here. Tudd was very similar; put on a civil front and pretend to have a nice debate, and then immediately go back to pushing alt-right talking points and the exact same arguments that you just had a civil debate about. They learn absolutely nothing, and take absolutely nothing away from those civil arguments except your time. They are doing exactly what GoDong-CK suggested we should do. Be civil and eventually you'll change their minds. Only problem is that one side is objectively on the right side of this, while the other is filled with wannabe Nazi's drooling over a renewed, white, world order. Civility didn't work in Nazi Germany as the real socialists and all other political parties learned, and civility didn't work in stopping Hitler's lust for land, as the Allies learned. Give them an inch and they take a mile. Their movement needed to end back in 2016 when it first started gaining real traction, and it is rapidly getting too late to end it.

You're dishonest. If you owned that dishonesty, I might not disregard you. But you don't, and I do. You lied in that large post about several aspects of the referendum and what that means for the country/historically because it lands in your favour to do so. It's transparent, gross, and I don't have any interest in "debating" you. Every time I've been respectful and curious about your views, you essentially shit on me, and anyone else in the conversation with wild imaginary perspectives of how this is going to go down. When anyone does anything to disagree with you, you have always, always stuck your fingers in your ears and gone "lalalalalalala I can't hear youuuuu" style bullshit. I don't want you banned, I don't want you gone, I just want you to smarten the fuck up for your own sake. I don't need you to align with my views, but if you'd at least share a reality with us, that'd be cool.

I don't aim to be dishonest at all. I don't believe I lied in that 'large post about several aspects of the referendum', I even included a bit about why I hold the views I hold and why that may be different because of where I live and the different political climate and country I face in relation to like, you, from Canada. The referendum is no laughing matter and should not be taken for granted as some sort of toy that you can just take away from people. I also don't remember 'shitting on you' or anyone else. I am open to everyones views, but have yet to see a reason to change my view on Brexit.

gee maybe all the shit the brexit side pulled like this https://i.imgur.com/8oH7VOk.jpg is a pretty good reason for a referendum

I know Tudd was a shitposter but every time he posted his shit, someone was there to pick apart exactly why he was full of shit and his argument held no ground. There are a lot of people that are annoyed by liberals and believe people who like https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/223311/8103a024-ce6b-4f7f-bf73-80a329aecae1/1508357471908.png represent all of us and they're getting swayed by the arguments alt-right people make. Those types of fallacious arguments need to be taken apart so the teens on this site don't grow up into the kind of people who spend their free time in front of facebook HQ in menlo park holding Kekistan flags and making me almost crash my car because I cringed so hard

Are you sure you're not mixing up Scorpious with someone else? Cause he used to be a lot less crazy than he currently is with his views like: I think income tax and inheritance tax is essentially theft. He also used to be a much better poster than he currently is as well.

You know what, I don't even know anymore. I'm 26 now and starting to lose it

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

This is the dishonest bit believing that a society, a democracy is bound by the results of one non binding referendum that was built on lies is unable to change course or their mind as a collective and are duty bound to the first action is absurd. Literally no country in the world fits your definition of democracy if that’s your metric

Your non-binding referendum, was then secured by an election, with both main parties campaigning for Brexit. I'm not sure how much more you want. The issue for me is when that referendum, leads to another referendum, and then another, the time stop Brexit was probably the subsequent election. We've got no guarantee people would accept the result of the 'People's Vote' if they fail to accept the result of the original referendum. To the government, the British people delivered a result of an essentially binding referendum. I've explained this before, it was essentially set it stone thanks to Cameron, they told the public that this was to determine the future of their country and were given the choice between leaving or staying, and for the lies on the side of that bus, I remember the reading articles that immediately disproved that figure and it was in question for most of the campaign.

Does anyone else think about this a lot these days? Its so accurate to todays politics and culture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA

all i know is i once asked boilrig about brexit, he dodged the question for 40 minutes straight, then finished off by saying he didn't actually care about the thing he argued for 40 minutes about https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/172/13c753b8-9614-419c-a078-ea12ccdb790e/image.png yall can keep your base-ass 'this is why trump won' idealism, back in the real world it's pretty clear he's just one of dime a dozen spineless right-wing nuts. he doesn't deserve to be coddled or shielded from people reacting appropriately to his shitty views

Of course, I don't give a shit either way.

yes, clearly

wow, coulda fooled me https://i.imgur.com/lstDf5I.png https://i.imgur.com/cjAbOy4.png your so full of shit I'm surprised monsanto hasn't licensed you out as a miracle fertilizer

I still lurk pretty often, but my view of FP has shifted dramatically. It used to be a place to come and have challenging debates. Now it's a resource for what the far left thinks about the current issues. I live a happy, productive, and fulfilling life. Once FP stopped contributing to that, I stopped caring. Love ya bro, I wish that kind of stuff was still possible.

Exactly. I won't deny I'll be disappointed if Brexit is stopped, or be surprised if it goes off without a hitch, but on day to day life, Brexit, well its just background noise.

you're a really funny guy Sgman, intentionally or not https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561 we'll always be happy to have you back

good to hear, wish you the best. side note you are always wrong about everything forever

Why do you believe another one would happen immediately? That's not based on anything. The leave vote was an ill informed vote that many have come to change their minds on many levels. The government that took it as a mandate to continue with brexit is on the verge of calling a snap election, which you paradoxically support. Your definitions do not have consistency.

That is what the People's Vote is aimed at, stopping Brexit. The leave vote, was as ill informed as any other referendum or national electorate and as I pointed out, had counter-articles, this wasn't a one sided campaign by any shot, and last I checked, we don't have a clear number on people changing their minds, as that is now mixed in with what they would support on the referendum ballot, or even having a 2nd referendum at all. The government already did the election securing Brexit, I have never said I supported the snap election mentioned recently.