• Tim Kaine's GOP opponent baselessly accuses him of sexual harassment
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He applied the same standard to Clinton, a President who was under investigation and of the opposite political party.
And Clinton was impeached by the House anyway, as he should have been. What's your point? Democrats benefitted (in some miniscule way) so it's okay if the pendulum swings to the Republicans (in very different circumstances, mind you) now, at this critical juncture of American and frankly global history?
Did he actually do that as a member of the prosecution going after him? Did he really? It's a fuck ton of a lot different to just be arguing that in a case, versus being the judge ruling that.
I'm old enough to remember when Republicans spent 3 years investigating Benghazi, a fruitless boondoggle that went nowhere.
My point is that he isn't a part of a fascist plot to take control of the government if he has set precedent in setting an equal standard. His rationale for setting that standard is pretty overbearing and leaves far too much into personal interpretation, in my opinion. So, you're absolutely right that they are both completely different cases. I think the main takeaway from this situation is that everything played out the way it did in the Kavanaugh hearing with midterms in mind. Given that I can't tell definitively if Kavanaugh or Blasey Ford is telling the truth, and for that reason, Republicans should have been given more time to pick a better candidate to replace Kavanaugh. (in all likelihood Barrett) But, this just goes into politics in general because it could be just as easily argued that Democrats are justified in prolonging the hearing in a non-timely manner because of Merrick Garland.
If he believes the President is above the law then he is absolutely key to that exact fascist plot. End of.
From a cursory glance, which is what this guy gave the situation, yes. But that's like Fox News level of depth and information. Kavanaugh has multiple independent accusers, at least one of whom is risking a well-established career to come forward, and their testimony is further solidified by the fact that they've shared their stories with people years ago, meaning they couldn't have conjured it out of thin air. It doesn't help that Kavanaugh is fighting tooth and nail to keep a probe or investigation from happening. Clearly the fears of a man with nothing to hide. In Kaine's case, there's been 264 cases of settlements made by Congress for employee law violations over the last thirty years, which could be any senator for any number of reasons, and we don't know the details. Some of those cases could be sexual harassment... and some of them could involve senators... and Kaine is a senator... therefore he's a rapist! The GOP is acting like a "mere whiff of an allegation" is all it takes because it 1) invalidates the accusations and 2) in the future they can make actual "mere whiffs" to get what they want and then insist there's a legal precedent. Both we as a country and Congress as an institution made the choice that sexual assault is an unforgivable offense. For Franken, the Dems had to decide whether they would undermine that for their own gain and render it invalid, or honor it and strengthen the authority of that policy, and for once they chose wisely. Of course, GOP politicians (and voters) have made it clear that they have zero qualms about breaking the law and crossing moral red lines when it suits them, but shifting the goalposts to play their game is not the solution. But that's a whole other problem altogether.
Furthermore, they named specifically the names of a people at a party within a 30-day timeframe to such exactness that it would beggar belief for someone to call it 'coincidence' or a 'lucky guess'. People at a party which was penned in Kavanaugh's own calendar - which occurred on July the 1st -- which even further begs the question of 'what did surviving the FFFFFFFourth of July really entail'?
Idk did you miss the part where I said I believe Kavanaugh's most likely guilty and even explained myself why the two situations aren't the same? It was a vehicle to make the point that even though Kav is PROBABLY guilty, everyone is operating as if he were guilty just by virtue of the accusation. He's dug his hole deeper since then but from the start, Dems presumed him guilty and Repubs presumed him innocent. That's all I'm saying.
It's funny you say that because Gorsuch sailed through his nomination during a non-election year without a single allegation of sexual assault or harassment.
I'm not saying the allegation is political at all. In fact, I really want to make it clear that I am not in the camp that believes that most sexual allegations are made in favor of politics; I see many on the right are promulgating this idea. My point is that the delay of investigations, withholding information for months, and lack of transparency has created a great amount of pressure to make a definitive answer in a situation where the facts are not. And, it seems that these things were done in pushing this confirmation past midterms so that the committee would swing Democrat.
Okay but so what? How are you going to accuse the Democrats of partisan hackery then suggest that we need to rush his nomination and any investigation before the midterms? These are two entirely different things. I'd also like to point out that, again, were the Republicans abiding by the standard they set under Obama, they would be pushing a moderate candidate with bipartisan appeal so the midterms shouldn't even be an issue. But again, this is tangential.
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