UK will enforce hard border in Ireland if there is no Brexit deal - Hammond
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The EU has made it clear there needs to be a border, though would prefer it to be in the Irish sea and the WTO needs a border unless the UK somehow get an exemption due to the circumstances. It is ignorant to just say "oh this is the UK's issue, they voted to leave!", border checks are a two way deal.
But this was never an issue until we voted to leave, so it's not ignorance and it is our issue to take responsibility for.
If you want to view it that way, sure, but you do realise if the border is placed on the border, Ireland will have one placed as well.
well the UK do intend to become a country outside of the EU and EU regulations, the eu can't just have a backdoor into it through ireland, you have to put a border up if you plan on playing by different immigration rules then the rest of the EU. Ireland doesn't want one, north ireland doesn't either but may can't put one between NI and Scotland where the physical borders make sense because she needs the votes from northern ireland to survive.
May's only plan on maintaining a frictionless border between the two is some handwavey pledge to use new technology to solve the problem but even if it could those types of systems take years to develop and phase in and they're 6 months out.
Ah, so any version of Tory Brexit now results in the breakdown of the Irish Borders economy and inevitably to the resuming of the Troubles. Why are these things even being considered when a literal war and widespread home grown terror in our own country is a significant possibility? This is beyond madness. Blair's government finally put that dark chapter in our history to bed and all the Tories want to do with that historic success is destroy it.
Are you seriously trying to blame the EU when it's entirely the Tori's fault that the Irish border question is even an issue again
How can you even say that the European Union wants a border. The whole point of the UNION is to remove borders.
Yeah, I'm aware that obviously it has to be attributed by both sides, however I was originally intending to put the emphasis on exactly what you said, this being our decision. We're ultimately the reason why, it's not the EU being unreasonable - they're being perfectly reasonable given the terms they were dealt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erx_hhUj9q0
No, it isn't about just votes, no British PM would ever accept putting a border like that is being proposed between its own territory, that is political suicide.
I feel as if you are late to this entire thing, go read the news.
Any version of Brexit results in this.
I would think most of the border with EU wouldn't be a problem, what with britain being on island wholly detached from the continent.
Ireland is the only problem. Ireland is a EU member so technically it's a EU problem, but I really think it's between Ireland and the UK.
I feel as if you are late to this entire thing, go read the news.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/297971/b8dbc757-97a6-4813-bf16-4986e9d62f78/image.png
Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of brexiters screaming "CLOSE THE BORDERS"
Don't fucking blame the EU for english far right identitarian bullshit, nobody but brexiters want borders.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-restart/beyond-the-rhetoric-britain-eu-preparing-to-move-forward-on-brexit-idUSKCN1MC1BY
Details are scarce, but the EU is planning to start putting in writing its offer for future trade ties, a demand Britain has pressed after officials felt Prime Minister Theresa May was snubbed at talks in Austria last month.
Britain has also promised to bring a new proposal to unlock a standoff over preventing the return to a hard border between the British province of Northern Ireland and EU-member Ireland, possibly by compromising about regulatory controls on goods in exchange for Brussels embracing the use of technological fixes for customs checks.
There wouldn't have to be a hard land border if either
The UK remained in the EU and thus maintained an open border with all EU member states.
The UK just gave up the ghost and let Ireland go.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/297971/05286ea2-0a20-4a9d-9cfd-e3a5979c0db5/image.png
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-voters-hard-border-northern-ireland-customs-union-leave-eu-a8414196.html
poor brexiters, it's not like they want the hard border with ireland or something
Northern Ireland doesn't want to be part of Ireland from what I recall, just chucking them out of the UK would be worse then brexit.
It could work under certain terms of autonomy if it meant they got to stay in the EU I think.
Its been 20 years since the Troubles ended. That's a decent time of peace and there's a whole new generation of people that have only known peace on the island. I think the possibility is there if it's worked toward, I just don't the certainty of it.
Northern Ireland wanted to remain as well. I understand that the cultural conflict still tense today, but I feel between exiting the EU AND having a hard border, or remaining in the EU and having no border, a lot of people, especialy new generations, will sway towards reunification.
Economical benefits often beats cultural differences, and leaving the EU and having a hard border would be a huge hit to them.
Unfortunately the groups still exist and they target young people, like gangs and other extremist groups target young people. It's an identity thing, people you hang around with, go to the pub with, go out to the woods with. they might be a tiny minority but it would, theoretically, just take 1 terrorist attack for the other, opposing, groups to retaliate.
If going back to the "Troubles" are worth it for you, cool, but like I said in the other thread, all there is to do with you is laugh.
You're a joke. Nothing you say is coherent with a reality that we all exist in, and your total, jaw dropping lack of empathy over the hard border troubles which will recreate the events of the "The Troubles"
is, I suppose, not too surprising considering how often you display a jaw dropping lack of it.
Surely with peace for 20 odd years has diminished their power to a great degree, though? Especially since, as far as I know (I'm not greatly in tune with present Irish history), that groups like the IRA haven't done much, if anything, to keep a fight going over the past 2 decades.
No one really knows wtf is going on, this other report says that May is preparing to capitulate to the EU and offer a border in the Irish sea. But that would presumably bring down her government because the DUP won't support it???
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-01/u-k-is-said-to-plan-brexit-compromise-on-irish-border-rules
Would explain the murmurs that she was planning to announce another snap election next month.
Maybe there's a backdoor deal that we're not hearing about yet within the government.
Either that or she's giving up and taking the easy way out for herself, though I find that very unlikely.
Well, on the bright side it seems like Brexit is going to cause a couple booms in the fertilizer industry.
Boilrig, it's actually infuriating how little you know of Ireland. I hope you understand that the moment these hard borders go up, CHAOS will erupt. Maybe even a partial reigniting of the troubles. This will FUCKING DESTROY an already struggling Northern Ireland. This stupid shit you spout actually makes my blood boil.
As if he gives a shit that people's lives will be ruined. All he's ever done is confirm he supports brexit because of some half brained fantasy that he'll make some money off it and who gives a shit if a bunch of peoples lives get fucked by, fuck you got mine.
Which neither will happen, think of a better solution.
Welcome back, I wondered when you would enter the thread. Brexit is happening, Troubles may happen, why do you think the UK is pushing a technological border.
Brexit is happening, not sure what you expected. Technological border is the way to go.
Oh please.
So, I think you should move to Ireland and live near that border when the troubles happen.
Because as it may have occured to everyone but yourself, you fail to even remotely understand what "The Troubles" were if you're so casual about it.
If you accept Brexit is happening, which I feel some in this thread still do not, then a technological border is the best option. Putting a border between NI and Ireland will cause issues, putting a border down the Irish sea will cause issues.
If only there were an easy way to solve those artificially created issues... hmmmm.......................
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