Hitler 'forced' to invade Poland, AfD youth leader claims
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Britbongs one time sent a dead homeless person in officer's clothing to a german controlled beach in spain with the corpse handcuffed to a briefcase. Plans in the case said allied forces would be invading via Greece instead of Sicily. So germans moved some of their forces to greece while allies invaded Sicily. The whole thing was a ruse and it worked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeat
Ian Fleming was also involved in some capacity.
I'm going to violently murder the next poster and their family
I'm forced to do it, it's self defense!
I'm sure they do, but just like everywhere else they dont go nearly in depth enough on the human elements of the war.
Its tough to have the war and its preceding era be humanized or relatable when youre just looking at maps or broad generalizations.
What mental Olympics do Wehraboos have to do to justify the actions undertaken by the Nazi's?
Hard to believe Hitler did nothing wrong when even members of the previous militant government had something against him:
"There's a man alone, without family, without children, without God ... He builds legions, but he doesn't build a nation. A nation is created by families, a religion, traditions: it is made up out of the hearts of mothers, the wisdom of fathers, the joy and the exuberance of children ... For a few months I was inclined to believe in National Socialism. I thought of it as a necessary fever. And I was gratified to see that there were, associated with it for a time, some of the wisest and most outstanding Germans. But these, one by one, he has got rid of or even killed ... He has left nothing but a bunch of shirted gangsters! This man could bring home victories to our people each year, without bringing them either glory or danger. But of our Germany, which was a nation of poets and musicians, of artists and soldiers, he has made a nation of hysterics and hermits, engulfed in a mob and led by a thousand liars or fanatics. - Kaiser Wilhelm on Hitler, December 1938
In another telegram to Hitler upon the fall of Paris a month later, Wilhelm stated "Congratulations, you have won using my troops."
Wilhelm was also appalled at the Kristallnacht of 9–10 November 1938, saying "I have just made my views clear to Auwi [Wilhelm's fourth son] in the presence of his brothers. He had the nerve to say that he agreed with the Jewish pogroms and understood why they had come about. When I told him that any decent man would describe these actions as gangsterisms, he appeared totally indifferent. He is completely lost to our family". He also stated, "For the first time, I am ashamed to be a German."
Paul "The Lion of East Africa" Von Lettow-Vorbeck:
During the 1960s, Charles Miller asked the nephew of a Schutztruppe officer, "I understand that von Lettow told Hitler to go fuck himself." The nephew responded, "That's right, except that I don't think he put it that politely."
Actually, Lettow's story is really sad. Both of his sons were KIA, and his home was decimated by Allied firebombings. He survived off of food packages from friends.
August Von Mackensen:
Mackensen's relationship to the Nazis remained ambiguous: embodying the Prussian traditions adopted by Hitler's regime, he appeared in his black uniform at public events organized by the German government or the Nazi Party, such as the Day of Potsdam on 21 March 1933. On the other hand, he objected to the killing of Generals Ferdinand von Bredow and Kurt von Schleicher during The Night of the Long Knives purge of July 1934, the Nazi Kirchenkampf measures against the Confessing Church, and also to the atrocities committed during the Invasion of Poland in September 1939. By the early 1940s, Hitler and Joseph Goebbels suspected Mackensen of disloyalty, but refrained from taking action. Mackensen remained a committed monarchist and in July 1941 appeared in full imperial uniform at Kaiser Wilhelm's funeral at Doorn, in the Netherlands. He publicly condemned the 20 July plot of 1944.
TL;DR: Revive the Kaiserreich
More than that, it was the actual excuse for the holocaust itself.
Even if you ignore the eyewitness accounts both past abd present from the remaining survivors of WWII and its countless atrocities there is a mass of evidence from the discoveries of mass graves to concentration and prison camps stacked high with the corpses of jews, slavs etc.
I remember a guy on my SF one day started talking about National Socialist Germany in a sympathetix light and when I cited the holocaust he straight up responded verbatim "oh you mean the h-h-h-holoHOAX" and I genuinely can't understand how you would believe that shit is fake. There are anecdotal statements from German camp guards and many others, backed up with photographic evidence.
This is actually a thing in japan, that japan was 'forced' to 'present itself' to the PR island nations to 'uplift' them. There's a literal museum for this.
Ah, yes, the country with lacking infrastructure in the east, lacking mechanized divisions, lower number of stationed divisions, economically destroyed by Great Depression attacked a country with over 100 divisions stationed, wartime economy, with GDP around 400.
Wehraboos are as illogical as it can get.
Not everyone pays attention in school or gets good grades.
Of course they do. I’m pretty sure that they teach about that very extensively in Germany. I recall having to look up German documentaries on the site of the German public broadcaster for my German classes in high school, and documentaries about WW2 made up like 40% of the documentaries that were aired, probably.
Wait, all this time I thought wehraboos are just military nerds who are just geeking out over German weapons. I didn’t think they are literal Nazi apologist
Please no, Reichsbürger are just as bad as Wehraboos.
Historically, every Reich has been as bad as the last. From the >H>R>E to Merkel, German autism has been the root of most of the problems that plague modern day Europe E.G Rise of Fascism 2: Electric Boogaloo
One of them leads into the other. A lot of myths and conventional wisdom about the Wehrmacht, especially on the Eastern Front, paints them as victims of the Lost Cause, set against the Asiatic Russian horde by incompetent leadership back home in Germany. From this starting point it's not difficult to fall down the rabbit-hole of outright apologism
Wehraboos are just nerds. Nazi applogists and wehraboos are 2 different groups.
Its possible to be interested in German militaria and be sympathetic for the German people during WWII, and not to be a Nazi apologist
Tbh I havent seen clean-wehrmacht mythology puppeted for years now. I dont think one can really lead to the other unless youre getting your info from stormfront.
If you ever read any biographies of German soldiers, you can easily tell which ones are victims of the draft or misguided youths, and the racist bigots. You've got to already have bigotry on the brain if youll be sympathetic towards the latter.
It still happens from time to time, a lot of our perspective on the eastern front was still shaped by Nazi memoirs or disguised Neo-Nazi propaganda (like the works of David Irving) and it's only very recently that better information has become available. There's still plenty of Nazi myths alive and well, and if I hear someone jerk it to Tiger tanks one more time I will burst a capillary.
The red scares of the twentieth century also did a lot to further sympathize the Nazis because in that area the propaganda overlapped almost completely. There's still actual surviving Wehrmacht troopers who believe the war was justified.
then they return with their bullshit stormtard photos taken completely out of context eg. 'auschwitz prisoner swimming pools!' and 'they had a football team!' and 'they had a theatre!!' etc bullshit. And don't forget them posting the bullshit memoirs where dickheads were trying to make money off it by making claims about masturbation death machines and shit like that, to try shit on factual memoirs and evidence.
Then they go on about how the deaths is actually the Allies faults because they were bombing supply lines, and not the Germans for putting them into crowded camps in the first place.
the morons piss me the fuck off.
I never remember Kaiser Wilhelm writing down "Let's genocide the Jewish and kill millions of Slavs." Even if he did fall into that in later life, Wilhelm's government and the HRE never made it an explicit goal to murder millions of minorities
Hippity hoppity I'm taking your property
Actually Wilhelm's reich did, they just did most of the murdering in Africa.
Hitler did nothing wrong
Wilhelm was a notorious anti-semite, and believed that Jews were the scourge of Europe and that they ought to be eradicated. He held these beliefs until his later life. He never made it one of his ultimate goals to slaughter millions, but this was the same man who believed he should go to war with Russia because he and his cabinet felt that, if Russia were to industrialize, Germany would be unable to enact their will upon Russia without retaliation. He also dismissed the only sensible diplomat within the militarist government, and ignored his warnings. IMO, German Monarchy > Third Reich, but that doesn't mean that they had their fair share of mistakes.
AfD= Arschlöcher für Deutschland.
except for that time in South-West Africa where native Herero and Namaqua peoples were murdered en masse for existing.
Actually, iirc, Germany treated their subjects in Africa with the most respect, at least compared to other Europeans. German Askari soldiers were some of the most loyal, with the least desertions out of any African unit at the time. They reciprocated this appreciation, for when Paul Von Lettow-Vorbeck revisited Tanzania, Askari veterans held a parade, where they preformed a rendition of "Heia Safari!".
The Second Reich didn't overtly genocide people, the most they ever attempted to do was out-breed local populations. That's why immediately after the Partition of Poland, East Prussia had a large Polish minority, yet, before WWI, East Prussia was mainly German. The government would fund programs that would benefit Germans who'd move into their territories and make babies
also they hated the Polish
The only group of people that likes to kill Africans more than Europeans is other Africans. Unit loyalty and colonialization tactics doesnt mean that Germany was a peaceful force in Africa. Just because they werent as bad as other colonial European forces doesnt mean they werent fuckin awful.
Some Askari commanders were well respected by their troops, but they were still known for being violent and ruthless disciplinarians, and had a policy of all officer ranks, both commissioned and non-commissioned, being filled by Germans. By comparison French colonial tirailleurs operated as self contained regiments with NCOs raised from within their own ranks.
Treatment of colonial troops aside, the German Empire is recognized by the UN as committing the first genocide of the 20th century in their suppression of the Herero and Nama peoples. This four year campaign of extermination resulted in tens of thousands dead and involved the establishment of concentration camps, slave labor, and mass dehydration, and when it was over the Imperial German government instituted a system of racial disenfranchisement and oppression considered the predecessor to apartheid.
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