Far-right "Proud Boys" filmed beating protesters in New York - Polidicks

Oh no, oh dear. You fell for the "free speech events" trick. I'm so sorry to hear that. The right don't host these events to actually promote free speech. They host these events so they can hide behind the guise of supporting actual free speech to shout bigoted shit at minority groups.

antifia is just whataboutism, why do they justify the existence of far right hate groups exactly?

How does anyone who questions antifa drinking the "alt right koolaid"? I am not alt-right nor do I subscribe to their beliefs. I don't care for the proud boys and was unaware of just how bad they were. How is anyone supposed to grow in their beliefs and knowledge if you just dismiss anyone who doesn't already believe as you do. I came into this thread trying to understand why antifa is praised and how people see the other side as equally bad. Instead of ridiculing, you should use this as an opportunity to inform other people's opinions. I have watched a free speech event for Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin before, could you kindly point out where they "shout bigoted shit at minority groups"? (I'm aware of shapiros arabs tweet, I'm referring to in their actual speaking events.) I'm open to changing my opinion.

I dont have time to make a proper response right now (I will later), but i will point out that there were a lot of blatant alt-right trolls that came through here, and basically left a lot of people here wary. also, there is a lot of people here who had their friends and family subscribe to the beliefs of Alex Jones and his ilk. it gets tiring to deal with shit-flinging 24/7. Its really becoming difficult to distinguish between someone who wants an honest debate and those that just want to cause trouble, and not to excuse them, but I think some people have just given up on trying to separate the two.

If you want to learn some stuff you could try watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgwS_FMZ3nQ Yeah it's an hour long but apparently you're willing to invest time like that into people like Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin of all people.

I agree, I you should not be ridiculed; however, you should also not avoid the other arguments presented. I did not link to a tweet by Shapiro. I linked to a detailed, extensive article in which he explains, in an academic, rationalized way, why it's okay to remove Arabs from all of Israel, including Arab citizens. You do not need to be shouting bigoted shit for your speech to be bigoted, and you should not be allowed to spew bigoted shit in any way. Claiming that black people are poorer and jailed more because of "their culture" isn't genocide, but is bigoted, and Shapiro (focusing on him as an example) has expressed and continues to express this viewpoint.

why antifa is praised and how people see the other side as equally bad anyone who compares antifa to the alt-right has sipped the "alt-right koolaid."

I want to point out that from the surface its easy to make that comparison, and the amount of trash on social media doesnt help examining things objectively. its best to approach people willing to explain calmly until they outright demonstrate that they refuse to even listen

Ben Shapiro very openly has spoken in favor of genocide (already sourced by seinwave), Dave Rubin regularly hosts and advertises for people who advocate in favor of genocide (including the aforementioned Shapiro). I know literally nothing about Brett Weinstein though so I'm gonna have to ask for an explanation on that.

It dont make much sense. Group A promotes racism and ethnic cleansing at best and straight genocide at worst. Group B... Breaks car windows? Like i get not liking 'riots' but seriously people need to look beyond what they see and see what they imply.

And owned the libs using a buttplug and his own butt (nsfw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V47_DQ3WT6c I find myself associating with punk bands from the 80's more and more everyday!

Well that's just politicians in general.

Wait what the fuck? Any context there bud? https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/240059/44787f36-b8ad-4d20-8f33-5dce7c18de78/image.png

I do want to point out that Shapiro has changed his views and what you list is outdated https://www.dailywire.com/news/33362/so-heres-giant-list-all-dumb-stuff-ive-ever-done-ben-shapiro

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Except he goes out of his way to repeat the exact same thing I mentioned in the post - the idea that "black culture" is to blame for black people's problems. "If you wear your pants below your butt, don't bend the brim of your cap, and have an EBT card, 0% chance you will ever be a success in life."

The guy literally wants an African American like Thomas Sowell to be president. I don't think your dogwhistling theory holds out well. He probably just really doesn't like people with poor habits. ya know

I refuse to let them take the okay hand signal. If we don't let them appropriate it, they cant.

We can take it back! It shouldn't be counted lost to fucking nazis https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/257611/57b769e9-784f-40ff-a829-6f4cb9dedc03/image.png

The Nazis never used "Genocide" or the German equivalent either. They use much less alarming terms like "Jewish question" and eventually "Final Solution to the Jewish question." Words that sound like discourse. Who would have thought that fascists make their rhetoric subversive and appealing.

Also just like how communists use class warfare terms like "dekulakization," or other euphemisms. Extremists always tend to hide their intentions

I think it does. It's pretty normal for people who hold a race or ethnicity in contempt to consider some small handful of that race or ethnicity's members 'the good ones'. Have you never heard someone counter with "but I have black friends"? Thomas Sowell is a comically-predictable choice. He's someone who is heavily on the no-welfare-bootstraps-only-final-destination side of conservatism and also is well-known to most people he'd namedrop to. Sowell's triply convenient -- someone who agrees with Shapiro, someone who's known and respected as an intellecutal, and also someone who gives Shapiro a get-out-of-racism-free card. Poor spending habits? What do you think an EBT card is? It's a welfare card. Food stamps, but not actual stamps. As far as I know, it's the system every state uses. ya know, there are a ton of people who sag pants and don't have good credit spending of all color types right? Did you think I didn't read the article you linked me? This is a rewording of exactly what Shapiro says in the article, which I have already addressed. It is clearly a textbook example of a dog-whistle. It is constructed so that anyone not willfully ignorant of cultural context would understand he's pointing at black people, and yet does not mention black people by name so that he can avoid being criticized for doing so. It is absolutely meant to imply that if black people don't pull themselves up of their self-created problems, they'll never amount to anything. You have to willfully ignore American cultural signifiers to not follow the tweet to the conclusion Shapiro intended - sagging pants and flat-billed hats/Snapbacks are absolutely connected to black people in public perception, and they are the exact kind of surface-level signifier an out-of-touch commentator would use to imply without stating. Shapiro targeted this tweet at black people. Even if I give myself a shotgun lobotomy real quick and pretend he didn't - what did he mean here? If you wear big pants and hats without a curve in the brim (again -- what could this possibly mean if not meant to target a specific group? what actual effect could a different hat have on someone's prospects) and accept government assistance, you're fucked and should give up?

It's a bit different as communism tends to rely on open revolution, whereas fascists tend to manipulate and subvert democratic process. In particular Stalinist-style communism is very bureaucratic and likes to make use of lots of acronyms and euphemisms, which is a practice you still see in use today in Best Korea.

Wish I had a bingo card. "But Thomas Sowell", "you're racist for thinking this clearly racial thing is racial", and "People mentioning Nazis? Don't forget the commies were bad too!" have got to be a three-in-a-row.

Idk mate, I read it as an American and didn't make all of these "textbook" connections you are making. Again it is weird you think discussion on welfare has to mean he is talking about black people. You are the one reinforcing that linkage as far as I can tell. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/706683074004676608 Because it seems Ben Shaprio isn't afraid to point this out. You might just be inferring way too much in the people you disagree with with a lack of clear evidence.

'Weird'? First off, the welfare thing just seals the deal - it's really the first two things that make it clear it's intended as anti-poor and anti-black instead of just anti-poor. Second, as long as welfare has existed, American political rhetoric has always used 'welfare' as a sneer word to attack blacks and black culture as lazy, entitled, etc. Think back to the 'inner-city' 'welfare queens' Reagan loved to go on about. You are seeing this as me saying the tweet is racist because it talks about welfare, and you disagreeing. It is not. I am arguing that this tweet is a classically-constructed dogwhistle, referencing pretty blatant stereotypes and signifiers to make a statement along racial lines without the minor inconvenience of being seen to make statements along racial lines. For some empirical research, try posting on Facebook that you just wish those sagging, snapback-wearing, food-stamp-using good for nothings would just go away! You are arguing that actually, it doesn't literally contain the string of characters "black people", and also you ignored 239 years of stereotypes and implications, and also you didn't really get that vibe off of it, so actually I'm just a weirdo. In the end, sweaty, facts don't care about your feelings. And finally, Shapiro stating a fact obvious to anyone who thought about it for eleven seconds - of course white people will be the biggest racial group on welfare, they're the biggest racial group - in a clear attempt ot own the libs means nothing. Again, Shapiro isn't necessarily a racist, but he is totally fine with playing on racist and classist undertones and implications - and has taken the classic defense when called out on those undertones.

Does you gaslighting not count as 5 for bingo? Or does free space get you there? Also I am going to heavily disagree with your further inferments since it lacks actual evidence of Ben Shapiro being what you accuse him.

It rolls off the tongue better than the 'Barely Tolerating Each Other's Presence" States of America.

By further inferments, what do you mean? And like I said, in the thing you quoted and clearly just angry-skimmed, I'm not going to try and claim or 'prove' that Shapiro is a secret rabid racist manipulating his fans - because I don't think he is. I do think he's comfortable conflating ethnicity, race, culture, and economics as a way to make discrimination against or disregarding of groups okay, that he sees nothing wrong with that, and I think that makes a lot of racist ideas easier to swallow when (and because) he doesn't think of them as racism. That is, I think the 'secret message' the dog whistle points at is "black people have a cultural problem that explains their poverty statistics, the system is functioning', not 'black people are subhuman, race war now'. I am specifically using this tweet, and the dual-layered to illustrate a point I made way back when this thread was about a group of right-wing political clubs getting into street fights with left-wing political clubs in Manhattan. That point is an organization not explicitly saying one thing - e.g. Patriot Prayer not explictly identifying as or with white-nationalist, fascist, etc. groups - does not mean they agree with or support that thing - e.g. Patriot Prayer working with and within white nationalist, fascist, etc. groups. For example, Ben Shapiro tries to distance himself from the 'pull up your pants, get a job' explanation of black poverty, but does in fact follow that interpretation.