• Fox news business divsion host peddles conspiracy theory about the bombings.
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One of the administrative guys at my work literally walked into my fucking office and asked if I noticed anything strange about the pictures of the bombs on the news and how the stamps weren't voided in the one photo. Like, dude, 1. we work at a news/TV station, if you're unable to figure out why the stock footage used in news packages might not be 100% the exact thing someone is talking about you should probably find a different fucking job. And 2. do you really fucking think the secret service / FBI are going to just take mad pics and video of bomb packages that made it through the fucking mail screening system and just let it be broadcast on national news, all so the criminals involved can see what ones made it through and take notes on what worked for next time? You really think they're going to do that? Basic logic says this shit really happened, regardless of who is behind it, that much you could debate and no one is going to be right until they catch the guys or 100% identify them with warrants, but until then to say this shit was 100% fake is just idiotic at best and malicious at worst.
Yes if only you could mention who actually does this, then this conversation could move on. The rest of your post just seems like wank to make yourself seem smarter.
You mean the flawed democracy in the US where a minority decides the outcome?
Pretty sure there is one or two 9/11 deniers
You could say this about republicans, but GOP itself has always been out of touch with reality. Thinking otherwise is insanely naive at its most generous. My ideology isn't necessarily 'correct', it's just not sociopathic hate mongering is all. They're trying to remove trans people from existence, do nothing to denounce people that practically admit to being pedo's, and virtually all of the GOP base wants to endlessly invade other countries for profit.
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You're going on about free speech and letting people talk but I don't think anyone here has even broached those topics. They just said that the republicans are shitty. I actually care less about the fact that some nutjob sent a ton of mail bombs to prominent democrats. Nutjobs will be nutjobs, I get it. What I do care about is the fact that the Republicans are already desperately trying to paint this as a politically motivated hoax, a false flag, a fake. You're worried about not being able to speak? I'm worried that this is a sign that politically motivated murder against a specific subset of people who are currently not the ones in control of all three branches of the government is going to be normalized under the guise of "Lol everything bad that happens to them is fake anyways teehee~" It's fucking worrying my dude, and more worrying than some asshat gender studies student trying to get you banned from Twitter for saying 'Chink' or some other banal fucking bullshit like that.
Tell that to the mountain of boxes I'm buried under for simply stating "I don't agree with the way antifa works".
From my interpretation of your posts, that's not at all what people had been dumbing you for.
Zealotry and big claims doesn't make you look authentic, it makes you look stupid. None of this has any impact on my first reply, which never mentioned oppression. I hardly ever describe politics that way. Elections are decided by the most organized and motivated, not necessarily the most popular, which can very well signal political and cultural balance in the country. You'll have to make up your mind since you go on to say our system is undemocratic. Either those with power are an enfranchised majority or not. As a result of that aspect of elections, part of the shell-shock associated with Trump is the gradual Democratic loss of power under Obama in those offices you mention despite the sense of a lasting political and cultural victory, especially given how the future economy and uneven recovery factors into it. It doesn't feel like we became more conservative or that conservative parts of the country became more economically and culturally relevant. It feels like it was a stolen election, that's why rather than introspection the explanations for the failure are all external, from Russia to the electoral college or white people. This is why it's not just conservatives circling the wagons, by the way. The failure of the 'coalition of the ascendant' and the right deciding to sharply contest its associated vision for the future, which is more of a junior position in American society, is why we find ourselves where we are today. It's a cycle of disillusionment with the other, before then liberals were shaken by events in the 2000s and repudiated the next two Republican candidates as promising more years of Bush. Conservatives completed the cycle by similarly rejecting what the left has reformulated itself to be since the end of the 20th century. Trump's main appeal was 'teaching the Republican party to win again', since conservatism was in a long-term growth crisis and Dems had (and still have) a winning formula. Trump represents the right refusing to accept a dignified decline, since politics doesn't really work like that. It's a chess game of interests and democracy is built on a balance of them, the degree they agree. Basically, after the collapse of communism there's starting to be a divergence between squeezed middle america and the squeezed permanent revolution of liberalism, the expansion of what it means to be a democracy and how to mold the world. Neither are faring well under globalization. Progressives yes, liberals no.
Tempcon every post you make in reply to another person seems to be talking right past them. You write a lot but you fail to actually connect and communicate with people
I didn't make a big claim, you did. Are you sure you are replying to the correct person? Do you know what the word "zealotry" means? Nothing in this entire block comes even remotely close to what I was talking about so I'm going to ignore it. Stop defending shitty behavior in politicians. Liberals have less political power than conservatives in the federal government. It's objectively true. Conservatives have the WhIte House, they have the Congress (but may lose the House after the midterms), and now have a 5-4 bloc on the Supreme Court. Not to mention all the conservative judges Trump is appointing nationwide.
Sure, that's worded fairly. I'm used to reddit though, where the posts are long and threads go on for days. I also write a lot because I usually get a lot of replies from different people, so instead of having a bunch of different tangents I make whatever posts I do write more comprehensive. Well, look back at my original post. I don't think that's what I'm doing so much as disputing black and white views regarding who is the problem, especially as it's informed by the sense of moral superiority and historical mandate the center-left has. It doesn't deserve it, and how it's matched with contempt for swathes of the country supposedly on the wrong side of history is a bigger problem than any parochialism of conservatives, who across generations are based on some way of life or culture on its way out as capitalism revolutionizes society. It's been happening since the 19th century. You can move away from the rubes and the locales they control, however you are forced to deal with bourgie liberals and their noblesse oblige paternalism on any higher level. That's not to say I like Trump's rhetoric or general personality, I'm not a republican and I actually voted for Obama the first time around and don't make a habit of voting since. But, I think it's hilarious and with a degree of poetic justice when one of the corporate anchors who helped coin 'teabagger' fumes over a populist calling his outlet fake news, when the previous president complains about today's divisiveness after speaking of 'bitter clingers' and defending uneven recovery in flyover country, and when the candidate that lost in an upset digs in her heels by saying she won the important parts of America, the 'dynamic, moving forward' ones that make up its future. Yea, there's a class character to the GOP. There's also a very similar one for the Democrats. I see no sense of introspection after 2016, just undeserved indignation. So, I'm just enjoying the ride and poking holes in the opposition as I see fit, because they have no greater claim to governing the whole country than this tribalist president. I feel no need to do this for the current ruling party, I'd be pissing in a sea of piss. All of this reminds me, I kind of wish we had a socialist or social-democratic party, since they historically could develop a pretty even urban and rural appeal. Yes, but our political system is a pendulum and what decides elections is not the same thing as what decides the long-term future of the whole country. You yourself believe we are undemocratic because of the gap between the two. Democrats wouldn't be so angry if it didn't feel like they were robbed of a guaranteed victory after the Obama years, which they saw as the next major step a long-running political evolution in America that they are supposed to be the vanguard of.
What an incredible load of nonsense. Your entire view of democrats is a strawman which seems to fume more over some impoliteness rather than homophobia, xenophobia, bigotry, and a concerted effort to demolish our social safety net while simultaneously blowing up the deficit.
How can you be certain this is true and not a convenient narrative in order to paint the masses, democrats as well as republicans, as clueless idiots engaging in tribalistic power games - leaving whoever notices this narrative feeling pretty good about themselves because to notice it one necessarily must stand out of it?
So we're still on the "Democrats are mad because they lost!" narrative?
Bullshit. So is anyone going to elaborate how supporting a tactic like antifa is acceptable when it seems to consistently results in collateral damage, or you guys just going to spam ratings? Serious question though, how do you guys see disorganized violence benefiting the movement against the far right? How does it just not make the rest of us lose integrity in the overall message? I’m not saying violence can’t sometimes work, but disorganized violence is a sure way to fail. The best part is no one still bothered to even answer my original question about the movement or why they feel it is justified. Like what do you guys possibly hope they could accomplish? From what I can tell people just made up excuses as to why random violence is justified regardless of the intended target. But what really gets me is that nobody even bothered trying to explain how antifa is somehow working. The only thing's I've ever seen or heard about the tactic is that it has resulted in several random attacks against people who aren't even conservatives, like something as credible as reporters from the Washington Post, or protesters on their own side. Then there's the fact that it's not even a real group so no one who identifies under it really bothers to hold each other accountable. Of course there's going to be some form of collateral damage when things get violent, but the only thing I've heard so far about Antifa is mistakes like 80% of the time. It would be one thing if they actually got results, but so far I'm not seeing much. Putting all of that aside, is there anything good which stands out from people identifying under antifa that I was not made aware of? Tell me one tangible good thing which has resulted from antifa and gotten results or hindered the GOP's agenda in any way shape or form, because right now I'm under the impression that antifa is entirely ineffective at completing it's original purpose. Seriously I'm hoping there's just something I'm misinformed about, and it's not that people are just angry at me for refusing to blindly support their bandwagon.
People could die and they would still play through this narrative. Soros faked his death!
People with box'd posts usually decide for themselves what the reasoning is, it seems.
Fox News and the GOP are responsible for the radicalization of their voter base.
This much is indisputable. The GOP is not only actively supporting acts of terrorism against political dissidents, but also streamlining the process. Not to mention financial crimes going back decades. The GOP needs to be investigated and destroyed like other organized crime syndicates. What's the hold up? (Rhetorical question.)
what kind of narcissist puts their name in a hashtag honestly #Untouch
Is it really that fucking hard to give me an example of anything good which came as a result of antifa tactics in the USA recently?
I remember hearing about this documentary a while ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=813V_GId5N8 It's probably more important now than it was when it was made.
I was just making a generalization about fp, my post had literally nothing to do with antifa. Chill dude.
And I’m just making a generalization about how people on fp are seemingly so desperate, they are willing to blindly support the small disruptive actions of any Tom Dick and Harry who claims to fight against our enemies. Even when they are completely inept at fighting our enemies. Unless there’s some reply I may have missed, no one has even ATTEMPTED to justify their actions or point out if antifa’s methods have resulted in any good accomplishments. Like seriously, if people here are just going to react negatively to the most basic of criticism against antifa and then not even bother with trying to justify its methods/existence, then no one is going to take you seriously.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/03/12/alt-right-leader-richard-spencer-says-his-rallies-arent-fun-anymore/416579002/
Does FP even like Antifa tho?
its because your takeaways from these convos are spicy hot garbage like this fresh tumor of a quote
Maybe you're getting dumbed because this thread has nothing to do with antifa, and yet you barged in here to whine about them and how people don't agree with your pearl clutching about them. I'll reiterate my earlier point to you that you need to take a hard look at your moral code, because you seem to be perfectly fine spending all of your time bitching about antifa and some broken windows rather than the mail bomber who attempted to kill a former president of the United States.
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