• Far-right insurgent Jair Bolsonaro elected President of Brazil
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"I mean, he's not my first choice, and I don't agree with everything he's said. And those comments about the elves weren't meant to be taken literally" -Drecrauth Drozrur, Mordor citizen, TA 3017
This is a fucking oxymoron you're an idiot dude
Brazil: hard to set up a business (get the permits, jump through the legal hoops) hard to hire an employee (If I'm paying 2k to hire somone, I have to spend almost that in taxes) hard to fire an employee (not just severance pay, if you don't fire the guy the proper way, he can't get his government insurance) hard to go bankrupt (the paperwork part) hard to compete with already established business If you compare these things with how things are in Norway, Norway is more libertarian. Even with the huge stake of the market that belongs to Norway government. Also, there are libertarians that advocate for different levels of state control, not everyone is an ancap that thinks state shouldn't exist at all.
TBH I'm more worried about the fucker deforesting the Amazon Rainforests and the global consequence that would follow after. That shit should be protected by like, every single government out there, it literally lies in the interests of all living things on Earth.
You do realise that Norway has higher taxes and much better protection for employees than Brazil, right? The reason it's easier to do business in Norway is that the norwegians are much richer than brazilians, since the wealth of the nation isn't essentially robbed by a handful of people, like in Brazil. They're more economically equal because of wide, far-reaching wealth redistribution in the form of a functioning wellfare state, which is what every left-wing party that's relevant in Brazil advocates for, and what PT tried (and unfortunately mostly failed) to implement. I'd like you to explain how this makes them more right-wing than us, but I don't really expect any good answer because you've proven time and time again that you can't argue in good faith.
Our problem isn't money theft, it's our welfare system and how much we pay and to whom we pay. The Norwegian government isn't spending money it doesn't has. We, on the other hand, have a welfare system that is on a deficit of 200B reais(53B dollars). Just compare Norway and ours government budget. Brazil recorded a Government Budget deficit equal to 7.80 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2017. Government Budget in Brazil averaged -4.36 percent of GDP from 2001 until 2017, reaching an all time high of -2 percent of GDP in 2008 and a record low of -10.20 percent of GDP in 2015. Norway recorded a Government Budget surplus equal to 4.40 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2017. Government Budget in Norway averaged 10.12 percent of GDP from 1995 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 18.70 percent of GDP in 2008 and a record low of 3.20 percent of GDP in 1995. They have such large welfare because their economy can deal with it. But if things remain like they are, Norway will not have the money to run it's welfare. 20% of their money can go "poof" in an oil crisis. It isn't easier to do business because the norwegians are richer. It's easier because the government made doing business simpler. But since you're Brazilian you might as well just search "O mito do socialismo norueguês".
That doesn't answer my question. Is social democracy a right wing ideology for you? Why does it become left wing when applied to Brazil? Also, how is it not easier to do business when the majority of your customers aren't just barely above the poverty line?
Is having less state regulation left wing? Also, you think money is the only thing that prevents people from starting business? Any ease of doing business ranking will show you the same thing. The easier it is to do business in a country, the more money people have.
It's pretty clear that Ragekipz is just inventing his own theory of economics here, and calling stuff whatever he wants to fit whatever agenda he's trying to push.
If you think I'm being dishonest, I might as well stop arguing then.
You are being dishonest You are ignorant And you refuse to recognize either of these aspects of your argumentation as of yet.
Hey, all you have to do is admit when you're in over your head. You can't always be right. There's no shame in misunderstanding something. I do it all the time. You've been trying to argue a point that is very much against what anyone else thinks, all in the effort to prove a poorly thought out quip at the left. What's the point? Just accept that it was a mistake, and move on.
Does Norway have less state regulations? Certainly doesn't seem so to me.
It's one of the freer markets in the world, of course they have less state regulations. I never said that Norway is right wing. I've been making an argument that Norway has right wing economical policies.
They have a lot of regulations how are you capable of bold faced lies like this lol
no see it makes perfecct sense they have beter ecnomy so they must have less regulat ions if you don't understand then maube you should stop drinkgin the leftist coolaid ;)
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You are 100% wrong. Yes, they have a free market, alongside heavy state intervention. This is a left-wing idea. The right-wing ideology is a free market without state intervention. This is the shit you learn in an Economics 101 class. There's no point in having a serious debate with you if you're unwilling to invest the bare minimum of research into this topic.
Oh, if you think they have a lot? So Brazil has what, a lot lot? And Venezuela, a lot lot lot?
Just because other states have more, or vastly more, doesn't mean it is at all unregulated, or lacking in regulations. What a false fucking dichotomy that is
I never said it was unregulated, or it was a free for all. I didn't even said it's free. I said it's freer.
It's still a highly regulated market equivalent to say, Canada. This is a dumb argument. Yes, they have less regulation than some nations. They still have incredibly stringent, strictly enforced regulations that most of the world envies. Not because of how profitable they are, but because of how safe, efficient, and well regulated they are.
Even if it was freer (which is debatable if you compare, say, the oil industry in both Brazil and Norway), how does that make their economy right wing? They're not privatizing in mass or imposing austerity measures.
It's not a dumb argument, because the the only way to say that someone has a lot of regulations is comparing it to something else.
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I give up. If you think free market is part of left wing ideologies we really have nothing to discuss anymore.
Left wing idealogies are everything from modern neo liberalism to certain forms of communism. You're trying to use a wide net as if it was a narrow net, and getting annoyed when people don't see how you're making any of the connections you do.
I explained very clearly that the left and the right have different attitudes towards a free market and how to handle it (if you have one at all). Free market socialism is actually a thing, fyi. Do your homework.
Just because the most extreme left ideologies are opposed to free markets doesn't mean that's the case for the left as a whole. That's like saying that gassing minorities is part of right wing ideologies. Politics are a spectrum, not binary.
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