You can't afford to protest but you can be sure the GOP will make it so that you can't afford to live.
Sounds like they wanna get shot.
They feel very confident that they can gaslight the populace into submission.
They're playing a very dangerous game by doing that. First it was the assaults on GOP candidates in two states before the midterms, but you can bet if they keep playing this game it's gonna become
politically-motivated assassinations.
I know they want to cause as much damage as possible to the Mueller investigation and the rule of law in general, with the reason of "we have two years until 2020", but I won't let them. Tired of these
walled-garden assholes leeching off the opportunity their parents gave them and shuttering it to everyone past their age bracket.
Sounds like I'm fucked either way.
You're dramatically more fucked in the latter way.
In the long-term, yes. In the short-term, I do require food and a place to live, however.
What if not protesting cost you: your job, insurance, everything you've built up so far?
I guess I'll just shoot myself in the head.
Let me get this straight.
(a) Don't protest. Keep job and stuff now. Lose all that later and be unable to recover it.
(b) Protest. Maybe lose job and stuff now. May be able to recover all that later.
(c) Shoot self.
You prefer C?
It's not within everyone's means to drop their job and protest, give it a rest.
At this point, I'm in the same situation, fuck it. I've have nothing to gain with not giving my throat out in screaming.
I guess I'm just one of those who would never pick C, if forced to choose.
you're sitting here on the verge of screaming at someone because they won't effectively quit their job and lose their insurance to go protest the firing of jeff sessions, something that isn't even guaranteed to do anything
please calm down
What indicates I'm on the verge of screaming at someone? I'm not annoyed or pissed off at them. I'm just genuinely surprised they would rather kill themselves of those three options if forced to choose.
Obviously I wouldn't either. I only said that in the context of the "you're fucked regardless, 100%" scenario.
I vote. I voice my opinion. I do all I can within the context of my life.
i think they were implying both of those things effectively mean death for them anyway
Knock it off with the melodrama, guys.
Protest if you're able to. If you legitimately can't, don't. I doubt these protests will be a one-day thing. I would be very surprised if they don't go through the weekend, you can protest then. And if you can't even do that, I'm sure you can find some way to contribute.
I don't know their life situation. If they have some sort of systemic health problem which is lethal if unmanaged then, yeah, I can understand the negative pressure on it. Even if I had a chronic health problem which was likely to kill me if I lost my job, given the above options I'd still choose B. A life isn't worth living if it isn't one you can live freely.
Friendly reminder that if you cannot realistically get out of work to protest that there's plenty of other ways you can help.
Craft some signs of you're the creative type; they'll definitely be put to use
Spread the word to friends on how they can participate as well. Any signal boosting would be invaluable.
Donate to someone you trust whose campaign promises include upholding the law and ensuring that we, the people, get our voices heard.
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We may very well be on the road to what will most surely be the most important event in American history -- every little bit helps!
I was skeptical of the investigation and thought that it would come inconslusive, but if he pulls any fucking shenanigans and tries to suppress the investigation then I'll 100% protest.
WHY IS YOUR LINK PREVIEW MAKING THE ENTIRE FUCKING PAGE SHAKE?
It's a feature shhhh
so you would gamble an actuality (job and health and so on) on a possibility (the loss of job and health and so on later on) despite the fact there is a possibility this protest will not be powerful enough to do much to change it, nor it being likely that this single individual not coming will change the way things are going?
good for you man, not everyone is so optimistic about their possibility to get their life back on track if they lose everything in pursuit of the possibility preventing this other possibility, nor is everyone in a good enough state financially and mentally speaking to gamble everything this way. this sort of thing is not equal to apathy.
can you for once try to think about other people's situations without projecting your own on them?
That's a bit extremist don't you think? We have a political system in place in order to prevent violence & promote a stable society.
I would say: do not protest until we are Defcon 1. Overton window has really ruined the weight of protests.
I look forward to seeing pictures of you live at the protest.
Things would probably get even worse with violence, yeah.
Ahh, I see the "Watergate speedrun: Retarded difficulty 1000%" has taken up more speed.
If you'd like, I can post pictures here. My Uber is already booked in advance and I'll be arriving 10-15 minutes early.
If I had $20 in my bank account and my job was in shaky conditions, I'd use my $20 on bus fare and supplies and call in sick to my job to attend. This isn't a protest about 'whether or not the price of snacks goes up a few percent' or even 'my local mayor is corrupt as fuck and is making extremely poor or controversial decisions'. This is big banner 'the President is effectively starting a literal coup which, if not stopped by the Senate immediately, will result in the rule of law in America being so distorted as to break people's faith in it near-entirely as the President becomes literally 'above the law'.
Not going, in my mind, is tantamount to gambling everything that 'it'll all work out and be just fine'.
Except where I did think about other people's situations versus what's going on right now, you mean? You're calling me out for 'not thinking about their situation' in a post where I clearly outline my thoughts on thinking about their situation.
There's one thing I know for certain, here: If people don't show up then that possibility that it won't be powerful enough becomes a certainty.
no, the appearance or non-appearance of a single person in a protest - especially when said person does vote and did try to do what they could, and has perfectly solid reasons not to go - is not "tantamount to gambling everything". this isn't like voting, where truly every single vote counts - in protests what matters is optics, as is clear from how easily the right has spinned violent action by a few people and projected it on entire protests. the individual doesn't matter as much in a show of force as they do in a system where literally every single person is counted - in which your logic would be valid.
you are forgetting that for some people its very hard to find a job, and losing their job means they aren;t gonna get another one anytime soon - a point especially important if one is already in a pretty desperate situation. you are effectively assuming they can drop everything that day and not lose their job, while also assuming they are likely to get a new job with sufficient conditions, while also assuming that they can survive that time in which they will be unemployed. this is what i meant about projecting your situation. you are not thinking about their situation because you categorically cannot be - as you yourself have admitted - you do not know their situation.
ah yes, the categorical imperative. thankfully, we are not speaking about someone whose arrival, or rather lack thereof, will necessarily encourage others not to arrive, nor, from what i see, do we speak of someone who has echoed defeatist rhetoric. this is not a person lacking the will to help or the conviction they can help - this is a person who has looked at their own personal situation, done the math, and seen that this slight chance of their singular attendance making a difference is not worth the bigger chance of them losing their job.
your logic, once again, relies on a categorical imperative, one that doesnt look at individuals in individual contexts but makes some faulty hypothetical from which your universal judgement is derived, namely: "but what if nobody showed up?". it's weak argumentation.
while the above makes up the bulk of my point, i find it important to clarify what i meant by this being a possibility to prevent another possibility: the latter possibility, that of the person losing their job and healthcare, is not at all a necessity, even if a coup happens (which too is a possibility, but one made disturbingly likelier every day). they could potentially lose their freedom, yes, but nowhere in their post is it indicated they put freedom above security and health (even if it might be true) and i am led to suspect this is further unintentional filling-in-the-blanks by personal experience and beliefs on your part, correct me if i'm wrong here.
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