I appreciate your passion but your beginning to sorta overlook some key points here. Blind zealotry can easily lead to infighting and shaming people for not being able to attend is not exactly productive.
I'm glad to see so many empowered and passionate people staking their time on this protest and If I can go I will. Perhaps look into more constructive arguments. Maybe Paypal Newb some cash and buy him out of his shift if you really care so much. I'm gonna do it for my fiancee regardless of If I go. I guess that is gambling in a way.
This isn't 'blind zealotry' and I'm not attempting to shame people who can't attend. I'm doing my best to encourage every last person who can do literally anything to support these protests to do those things because there is no more important time than today to do those things if they are ever going to do them.
If that's an option, I'd love to.
thanks, but that doesn't apply to me but to the person responding to firgof earlier. i'm (given the situation these past few years, thankfully) not american.
You don't need to be to help these protests. You can help amplify the voices of those protesting.
a gamble viewed in light of the greater gamble (one perceived as having worse odds) of losing one's job and current financial (and from what i understand, medical) security in life - all at a critical time.
With this administration, I would dispute that those things are exactly what it's aiming for to begin with - it is merely seeking the opportunity to do so.
It must be nice to be a NEET with no life experience firgof but for the rest of us it's not practical to just throw everything away and go protest.
let me put it in simpler terms: change won't matter one bit to you if you arent alive to see it, or lose more than you gain from espousing it. It's not surprising that people have bigger priorities than participate in something that won't do squat to let them live the rest of their lives.
(A) I'm not a NEET.
(B) You don't have to throw everything away to go protest. You should do what you can.
(C) I have plenty of life experience, thanks.
If you had plenty of life experience you'd understand why it isn't practical to decide not to show up for work so you can take part in a nebulously effective protest.
The act of protesting this is honorable, but honor doesn't pay the bills. Most people who care about this are barely making ends meet as it is.
you were arguing on the last two pages that someone should give up their job and insurance to go protest.
give me a break.
You're underestimating the impact this could have on America. With a broken justice system, we will likely devolve to a banana republic. Such Republics are not known for being nice to their citizenry nor allowing them to regain what has been seized from them - and what may be seized is at the whims of whoever is at the top of such a republic. We know who Trump is and what he wants is power and money -- and for those who do not like or support him to be cast down, jailed, and left broke or kicked out of the country with their citizenships revoked -- their children torn from them, screaming, while they're used as an example for others who would rise up against.
You're literally arguing that people throw away their livelihood for a nebulous principle. As much as I despise the orange man, people have to live and eat first.
I do not put it beyond 'orange man' to ensure they are unable to live or eat.
If you can protest. Protest.
If you can't protest due to financial troubles or risk losing your job. Then thats totally understandable. There is countless other ways you can support a protest even if you are unable to go to one.
Enough said.
They take time but from what our political climate is like, it just keeps teetering from left to right with no change at all. The US politically is still stuck in the 1990s, and it shows. Bickering has always been a staple of American politics and one of the reasons why stuff takes so long, but this is different. The GOP is actively working with a hostile foreign entity in their own interests. The Confederacy was one thing, but this is another and quite frankly, dangerous.
What's the point of having a Democrat government if the GOP just comes back 8 years later to rip all the progress away in spite?
I read once that the US is like California in the 90s, vicious partisanship and no progress. Then the Democrats became a big tent and California's more or less a one party state at the statewide level.
Honestly I feel better looking at the CA flag than I do the US flag considering I know my state government isn't gonna rip away my rights at any given moment because "oops, that's liberal. you can't have
that". Gun control is something I don't personally agree with, and in CA's case it's from disinformation and a fearmongering campaign, but I'd take it if it means I get a slew of progressive benefits
legislative-wise. Single-issue voting is something that has contributed to partisan politics, and I'm not going to go down that route and sacrifice everything just for one thing.
I think what frightens me the most is the indispensible amount of people the GOP has that does not care about the law. You remove one head and another uglier one grows back. If this protest fails and
falls flat, we need to pressure the House into pressuring the GOP as much as possible. The amount of damage Trump can do in 2 years has already shown itself, and it's not pretty.
What kind of fantasy land are you living in? The republicans are so fucking incompetent that NOTHING has changed in the past two years except we don't have to pay as much tax. What progress has been ripped away? The affordable care act is still in place and just as many people are being deported as under Obama.
America pulled out of a landmark climate change agreement that literally every other country in the world has signed on to, for one.
Seperation of families at the border, kids being put in camps, the tax breaks that help only the most wealthy, net neutrality being destroyed (and successfully intimidating california into it), the tariffs, a
stacked SCOTUS, an EPA ironically bent on destroying the environment, deportation of US citizens based on race, ICE's rampant targeting of sanctaury cities and anyone not white, pardoning of
Joe Arpaio, endorsing Roy Moore, the list goes on my dude. The GOP is super incompetent but they're competent enough to drag us down with them while they try to set up their
quasi-fascist dictatorship.
Huh? Who is advocating the torture and murder of political opponents on the GOP side? I'm sorry but this is getting a bizarre to the point where I'm considering stepping away from this thread. I'll leave you with this: Both sides are truly incompetent and that's why many advocate for a smaller government such that the power really is with the people and not some giant bureaucracy that can be abused.
Look up all the times Trump has brought up beating people up as well as praising congressman bodyslam.
You're saying that's the same as advocating for the murder/torture of political opponents cheka style? That's an interesting position I suppose but not one I agree with.
When it's the President of the United States publicly praised a politician who assaulted a man it's a slippery slope.
You're endorsing a fallacy. Surely if this slippery slope were to have materialized it would have done so during the midterms. I don't want to continue this conversation because we are on the border of lunacy. I don't believe anyone in our country truly wants Russia style government corruption.
The thing about fallacies is that they use incorrect logic, but this doesn't mean that they lead to incorrect premises.
The assertion that a statement is incorrect because it's a fallacy is in and of itself a fallacy.
Let's also not forget that he said he'd be able to shoot somebody and not lose votes. That's not the sort of thing that's typically floated by politicians.
I mean, yeah I agree that last line was a bit over the top, but I don't think you can call it lunacy. People called Trump a Nazi, and he refused to condemn Nazis after they murdered someone in broad daylight - actual Nazis took it as a statement of support. People said Trump would set up concentration camps. He set up concentration camps. People said he would incite violence against his political opponents. He regularly falsely accuses the media of being fake, and calls them the enemy of the people, and certain people have already gone as far as to send bombs to Trump's political opponents. I get that we're not 100% there, and it's totally reasonable to say that it never will get there, but you can't honestly call it lunacy to think it could.
Also good job ignoring the list of things that has changed, the actual direct response to your claim that nothing has changed.
