Bernie, Biden, and billionaires: The potential 2020 Democratic contenders - Polidicks

And in the case of Trump it's generating terrorist attacks against media groups and constitutionnal crises every week, so I dont really see your point. "Can't pay my rent because of how the congress isn't set up around working class people" and "the media are globalists paid by soros, go beat them up" are not comparable and two different context.

Jeb 2020

Eww. There are only 2 names on that which look good. If they run most of those candidates other than Sanders or Orourke, I’m not even going to bother. Anyone from New York or California is a nonstarter due to nanny state bullshitery. Biden thinks the best form of self defense is using a double barrel shotguns to blow people through doors. Eric Holder was in charge when a massive ATF fuckup gave thousands of guns to the cartels and no one ever saw a day in jail over it. Meanwhile people are probably still being killed by those lost weapons. Elisabeth Warren would be in a similar situation to running Hillary because of their bad reputation, regardless of whether everything is true or not. Also the state of Massachusetts is blatantly in violation of the 2nd amendment with their recent “enforcement notice”. It’s so bad that people I’m acquainted with in the law enforcement community are afraid of getting in any shooting practice while off duty in their free time because they’re not entirely sure if they’d be breaking the law or not.

I'm going to laugh my ass off if the dems chose someone as unelectable as Hillary under the logic of "Come on, we can't lose to this guy again!"

Only Cuomo, Bloomberg, and Avenatti could be like that, and there's no chance any of them win if anyone else is on the primary ballot.

All the propaganda videos like this got to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXDe8HxHBA

Are there any other American politicians particularly liked or disliked in France? Besides the orange of course

Richard Ojeda's running too https://twitter.com/joncprevo/status/1061802355384029187?s=21 Form 1 for Ojeda for President

You and I both know that the superdelegates system the dems use is dogshit, and I'm registered as republican. Bernie would have rolled over Trump, I mean you have any idea how many trump voters (not supporters, just voters) were former dems?

They killed superdelegates this year, now they'll only be used if no candidate get a majority of delegates, which could happen tbh.

Huh. One step forward, although probably too late. I'm not going to take the tox challenge because I do think the dems will take 2020 but mark my words nonetheless: If they don't pick someone who people like then history will just repeat itself.

Good to hear. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/132319/2467ffc0-6fb6-4629-8e9d-cd51f0d24939/16832265_10212212628941253_7348863451522209007_n.jpg

Bernie has huge support. Obama was extremely popular here. Beto is not known much yet outside of people who pay particular attention to american politics, but he is popular in that group. If he runs for national elections, i'm sure he'll be liked here. Everyone outside of the french alt right hates republicans and trump of course. Even the french right will never associate themselves with them.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries_delegates.svg/1440px-2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries_delegates.svg.png Unfortunately Sanders actually wouldn't have won even without superdelegates. (Superdelegates are the unpledged ones in the pic in case it's not clear.)

I think the general argument involving superdelegates is that as the primaries progressed, they were reported by the media in a way that made it look like Bernie was hopelessly behind and therefore discouraged undecided voters. There's also states like Hawaii, where he won handily but most of the superdelegates pledged for Hillary anyway. Overall, it's dubious whether he could have pulled it off but the deck was stacked to make sure that the DNC could hand pick Hillary.

You might be right about that. Either way though he really wasn't as well-known as Clinton was so she was simply ahead on that. Then the corporate support she obviously beat him on. Even here in Oregon where he beat her by 14% he still only got 39 delegates (3 supers) to her 32 (7 supers). (Also it looks like 3 superdelegates didn't bother voting?? What the hell.) If you go by flat vote percentages he should have gotten 41-42 delegates and Clinton should have gotten 31 while the remaining 1-2 would've gone elsewhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Democratic_primary,_2016 It's actually kinda ridiculous. Clinton one one district on the map on the right there yet she still lost in Oregon by a mere 7/74 delegates or not even quite 10%. But really my overall point is that in Sanders' case I don't think that the DNC treating him better would have netted him a win as much as many of us would have liked. It's possible that would have been enough but I'm really not certain it was. Just more proof that most people aren't really good at voting for their best interests.

Don't forget Indiana. Bernie won the vote pretty handily, but Clinton still won the state because of superdelegates. Without superdelegates, it's very possible that more people would have been energized to vote. But eh, what can you do. I just hope he's still in the same health he is now, and runs in 2020 to win it. He's the president the USA needs, big time.

Sherrod Brown of Ohio seriously thinking about running for President. One of my top tier candidates, so I really hope he gives it a shot. If he loses he can just continue his Senate term. His wife tweeted this article out. https://twitter.com/ConnieSchultz/status/1062009289429209088

Christ 2020 might break the record for most primary candidates.

On the one hand, those are some pretty unattractive candidates. On the other hand, Trump has tanked and polarized views on Republican leadership, and based on Midterm turnouts only a fool could lose to him if Trump re-runs.

The big thing in my mind is that as the primaries progressed, CNN typically shoved big, shocking graphs like this in the viewers' faces, with the tagline "wow Bernie won a state!!! But he's got a big uphill battle....." since they were doing something ridiculous with the graph like rolling every single superdelegate under Hillary's name. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/109677/819336a1-7637-47fb-aab8-1228716babb2/image.png I think it's a very easy case to make that this was essentially propaganda to discourage Bernie voters from acting in the primaries, esp when from the first few states the meme version of "HERE'S HOW BERNIE COULD STILL WIN" and "LITERALLY UNELECTABLE" took hold, even on this forum.

vote for me instead

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/politics/julian-castro-2020-donors-staff/index.html?no-st=1542155476 Within the past week, at least five other possible candidates -- New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, California Sen. Kamala Harris, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, billionaire activist Tom Steyer, and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren -- were in talks with potential staff and consultants, said several Democratic sources interviewing for those roles themselves or who have friends who are doing so.

Done, where's my State Department job?