Brexit is teaching Britain its true place in the world - Polidicks

A downside of the current government. I think Brexit has shown that even the people don't really see themselves as part of Europe.

What is the UK gonna export? What security can the UK offer to anyone?

The UK exports mostly services as we've seen, its more about what they import.

What makes you think any nation will consider it worth their time to make a deal that's good for the UK? And what securities can the UK ever truly offer?

A helping hand towards the rules based order.

Can you elaborate on how the UK will accomplish that?

As I've explained before, I've always viewed the lack of a combined foreign policy from the EU being one of its biggest downsides, and thus limited in their capabilities to provide support.

That doesn't actually explain how the UK would do that, or even who they would or could be assisting in bringing "rules based order". In response to your last post about the trade deal, a trade deal with Britain under brexit will hardly lean more in favor of Britain than any trade deal would have prior to it.

I guess it takes a special kind of someone to look at numbers as bleak as these and say "no where as bad" They are only on top of the list as counterfactuals, I'd definitely like to read these news you read where the UK is actively and openly gearing to increase trade with NZ with the intention of offsetting its weakened trade position in the EU https://www.niesr.ac.uk/sites/default/files/publications/National%20Institute%20Economic%20Review-2016-Ebell-121-38.pdf https://i.imgur.com/uxwYfSz.png https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/157171/1/IW-Report-2016-10.pdf https://i.imgur.com/rttZyNh.png https://i.imgur.com/dKx4FEo.png https://i.imgur.com/pm7Krq5.png Which the UK government seems to have no interest in doing. As usual you haven't looked at the numbers and consult your feelings for knowledge. Here's a list of actual science you can look at, instead of just "ok just reduce red tape ok" Brexit Impact Studies | Public Interest & Brexit | European Pa.. A hard brexit would halve imports from Britain. Decision from the people? Then hold a second referendum. A decision by the people that says "we must now drink battery acid" is a decision that should not be followed. You constantly keep showing in every circumstance in every thread you ever enter in your entire life that you have literally no clue about literally anything anywhere at any time or and context.

Another voice in support of the rules based order can help, and for any country that current gets hit by the EU's tariff wall, it will be a sigh of relief to be able to trade on lower or zero tariffs.

How would you define "rules based order", and what countries would the UK be trading with that the EU is currently laying tariffs on?

A lesson that trade and diplomacy is good and populism and shortsighted actions for political gain are bad.

The UK will not be a factor in a US/China standoff, because the UK does not (alone) have either the soft or hard power projection necessary for that. It's currently considered a strong player on the global stage because of its very strong position in the EU, and by extension the EU's combined influence, meaning as soon as everything is official, it will start dropping in the Soft Power annual report.

I didn't say it would fully offset, also https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-zealand-consults-on-a-new-free-trade-agreement-with-the-uk, we're already preparing, basically awaiting Brexit as our EU negoiations won't get far for many years to come. That isn't my issue, mate. Ahh yes, the battery acid meme, the people were asked a reasonable question approved by a democratically elected government and cleared by government officials and they provided an answer to the government. On your statistics, I believe we've discussed the time frame those GDP losses etc are over, thus making it much more reduced.

What is a rules based order and if it is what I think you mean, how are other first world countries already not abiding by it. Also not a clue what you mean by Tariff Wall. EU countries are listed as some of the easiest to trade with in the world according to the Ease of Doing Business index. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IC.BUS.EASE.XQ?locations=EU

I don't understand your defining 'rules based order' question. I believe Canada is only one of the few that has actually got past the tariffs, as they apply to the single market as whole. For example, my country is going to struggle to have dairy product tariffs removed due to France. They won't be a 'factor', maybe, but there is no one else to fill the void, there are too many internal EU issues for Europe to step up. Possibly it may drop, depends on the UK's foreign decisions, but for 2018 it moved France down more even with the knowledge of Brexit happening, the EU instability is what waters down the soft power of EU countries.

Indeed, a fitting meme to match your "britain uber alles" meme or whatever the fuck you guys are doing these days Let me fix your grossly biased utopian referendum: The people were asked a complicated question which they were supposed to make an educated guess on based on insufficiently provided evidence, and felonious (as we recently have been finding) and incorrect marketing campaigns from the Leave side aimed at emotional manipulation not cold hard facts. Again, the "meme" fits perfectly. If you hold a referendum on drinking battery acid, and 52% of your population says yes because the "yes" campaign said "Drinking battery acid is good for our NHS" and "It will clean our cities of immigrants" and all that, then that is a stupid decision, as is Brexit. Well then why respond in the first place. This is not "you preparing", this is political posturing in the form of the UK trading with a small ant of an island nation on the other side of the planet (which of course means more expensive goods due to the long transport distance). No shit they'll say "NZ is one of our oldest allies", they'll hardly go "NZ is a speck in the ocean compared to our trade with the EU"

But you want them to vote again. I can't control the UK government on how they handle red tape issues. I know what I would do. Depends if the transport cost is more than the current existing tariff barrier, but I think Fonterra will give the French a run for its money.

That's not what I said. Saying "tariff wall" implies something insurmountable. And in any case, how much do you know about the third country tariffs as defined in the combined nomenclature? Do you even know what the numbers are? A huge portion of products imported externally into the EU are exempt from the CCT, and those that aren't are mostly tiny (single digit percentages, below 5) EUR-Lex - 32018R1602 - EN - EUR-Lex I retain my point of you not knowing anything

There is no empire. Britain hasn't been the star of the show for a long time and Brexit wasn't about to change that. I think the biggest misconception "Brexiteers" have is - as the article stated - expecting former colonies to express some sort of fealty to the UK and therefore Britons perceiving their nation as far bigger or influential as it actually is, or maybe they see the Commonwealth of Nations as a whole as their domain, which is just as ludicrous. Britain is in charge of nothing other than itself. Speaking as a citizen of the US - a non-Commonwealth former colony - I can say I certainly don't see the UK as some sort of looming forebearer. I see them as one of many major European states, the only difference between them and any other EU member being that they speak the same language as me. Now I'm not some jingoistic yee-haw but I still know that despite the idiots currently running our government, my country is a juggernaut. That's simply a fact, for better or worse. For Britain to consider themselves a superpower anywhere near our level is laughable; I would sooner recognize the EU itself as the European counterpart to the US than Britain on its own. Britain holds about as much weight in my mind as one of the larger US states or Canadian provinces. Frankly, this entire fiasco reminds me of the hypotheticals over California or Texas seceding. The two largest US states - on opposite ends of the political spectrum - but neither one could ever alone project nearly the amount of power the US as a whole has. And Britain doesn't even have the population of those two combined, let alone when you add in in the other 48. They're a small archipelago on the outskirts of a far larger continent. Looking at other such countries, I'd sooner see Japan as a superpower considering they have nearly twice the population and are far more influential in many prominent industries today, such as cars and electronics. And yet the Japanese empire is just as dead.

Boilrig is either mental or a massive troll.

I just ignore his posts entirely and I invite anyone else to do the same. His stance is worthless when it comes to Brexit.

Our ingrained bitterness industry will see a sharp up-tick - can we export that?

I thought you didn't rely on expert opinions so why do you need an expert opinion how soft power has changed? it has, dramatically. the UK is being laughed at more than ever. they walked away from leverage and now have no leverage.

If you really think that the UK will suddenly become the third world after Brexit, you're very wrong. It isn't going to be pretty but, even as the article said, Britain will still be important in various ways.

As yes, the "dry British wit" as I believe it's called? Frankly I got my fill of that around the time Zero Punctuation started getting old.

wut

Sounds like the British government in V for Vandetta.

is that the chavvy version?

I dunno, remember that time they sold us those fantastic submarines.