Brexit is teaching Britain its true place in the world
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If we ignore him, there'd probably be no disagreement in Polidicks anymore. As long as Boilrig continues to at least make attempts to reply in a polite way, I'm going to continue replying.
Britain can't even get it's own government to agree on what flavour of biscuits to get how do people expect them to influence anyone lmao.
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Have you heard of chavs?
Implying the way UK government has been handling brexit makes UK appear more reliable than Europe instead of whacked out its mind. That is ignoring all the international treaties UK is willing to scrap thoughtlessly for political brownie points.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad
Yeah but what do chavs have to do with V for Vandetta or Boilrig.
It's V for Vendetta and chavs often drive vans.
How did the "chav van" stereotype start? It's fascinating how so many countries all have different words for the same demographic. Chavs, Bogans, Gopniks, Rednecks.
I think soap operas like Eastenders probably bolster it because a lot of the characters are really chavvy and drive vans, but it's partly based in truth too. It's definitely class-ist to a certain extent, but there's a certain culture of chavs too, so it's hard to say for sure.
I don't really think of Britain as being any more powerful than most other European nations. Its only claim to fame that I can actually think of is being the most culturally similar to the US besides Canada and that doesn't mean shit. If the British expect a return of British Empire level power they're in for a rude awakening.
Took me a while to get it but I was misspelling vendetta, I get it now, derp.
In fairness, we are more powerful than most European nations, but Germany is more powerful and France about the same, so we're joint 2nd in Europe, but that's assuming we remain in the EU. The British Empire is not coming back.
Best European army (maybe numerically Poland has us, but technologically speaking).
International business language is currently English. It will shift to Chinese at some point, but English will remain important.
I don't think we're expecting a full return to the Empire at all, that would involve reconquering half of the world. What I do think we are expecting is a long period of tumult and the gradual building of closer Commonwealth ties. The EEC didn't work last time, but there's nothing stopping us from trying it again. We're not expecting at all to be instantly better off, and at the moment I and many others are questioning whether it is worth it, but if this is our plotted course, with a lot of work, we can make Britain a success outside of the EU.
The UK was never truly in Europe? Is that how they felt when they got involved in two World Ward which centred largely on European powers? What about all those wars with France? Or all those wars with Germany? Or the fact that their royalty are of German descent? What about all those Viking raids by the Scandinavians? What about the Anglo-Saxons entering Britain? What about that time the Romans conquered England? Or when the Celts came over from Europe and became the Britons?
Never in Europe my arse.
The UK also has major military operations in Estonia, among weapon exports. The EU is quite reliable on the UK's money, military and trade in general - considering it was the third major player next to Germany and France. No ones really claimed Britain wants to go back to Empire days, I think that's just a weird meme Facepunch parrots here (while patting themselves on the back for a real funny joke).
To say Britain is irrelevant just goes to show people also don't really know what they're talking about. It is the 5th largest economy in the world, that's not simply a 'tiny island' people seem to trivialize a lot about on this forum.
How Boilrig views Europe.
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Well, from the looks of it they're offering their own land, they risk losing Scotland to the EU and they just pretty much offered Gibraltar to Spain
It's not often that you see someone so thoroughly self-deluded that they go around insisting reality is fake and fantasy is real, but here it is I guess. Britain has always, historically and in modernity, been European, from the Celts who migrated from mainland Europe to the Romans to the Anglo-Saxons of what is now Germany, to the Norman French and the Vikings, all of whom came and conquered and then integrated into the populace, and the succeeding centuries after that where Britain and the other European powers fought and politicked and traded. The crown? A German family (and the house before Windsor, German as well). The language? Germanic. Customs, food, architecture? Not unlike those on the continent. Nothing about the UK is non-European except some of its recent immigrants.
To insist otherwise is pure feebleminded delusion, self-serving in a frail attempt at self-aggrandizement and a vain hope for profits.
I'd be more inclined to say that modernly (very liberal use), the UK has been involved in European affairs, but hasn't been fully connected to Europe as a whole. Yes there's always been cooperation, trade, and wars, but up until the modern day these were mostly under the guise of preventing a single power to fully dominate all of Europe - Ensuring that all competition with the Empire and all that bollocks would be harder with numerous smaller European powers than a larger one.
The decision for the UK to join what would become the EU was always a divisive one. And the lack of focus on what the EU has done to benefit the UK (aside from little plaques on building sites and leisure centres) led to general apathy about the EU in the population, aside from the radicals. Tabloids harping bollocks about the EU without fully being challenged hasn't helped either, and tbh, did anyone actually vote for their MEP?
In both world wars, the country didn't feel the brunt of the war. We had echoes of it via bombings, the effects on the economy, and lost generations, but we only had a tiny percent of damage and healing that those on the mainland went through. And our post-war position in regards to Europe was as a general mediator between the US and Europe, sharing different parts of policy between them, but with the same goal.
It's definitely easy to mention Romans, Normans, and the Royal family's heritage and all, but do they really fit the question? When the topic is brought up about Europe as a whole it's delegated to the last century at least, and well past the point where culturally the UK had became the UK. We're dealing with the foundation of modern geopolitics and culture. Also a point about GBP and Euro.
I'm no fan of Brexit, no fan of the fools in charge, and no fan of this whole INGLIN NUMBER ONE bollocks (outside of the world cup!). I would say that we are European, but with what I've mentioned, I can see why this culture has cultivation. Also sorry if I've buggered this up, it's 4am rn and I should sleep
You don't have an actual argument that you can refute this with, btw (I wonder why), and your fallback is to just turn increasingly inward and repeatedly insist that you're right as if it'll change reality, even though no evidence will bear that out. Please feel free to try out this tactic with other ideas like "cars on the highway can't hit me" and "nothing in my house is flammable"
Like I've said before, they're no good brexit argument on the geopolitical scale. The UK loses. The EU loses. Some fringe parties which are predicated on destabilizing both such as Russia and other rogue states win in the end.
Nobody wants Brexit besides Russian agents, people who have such prospects which allow then to move to profit from sudden economic downturns, and 'useful idiots' as they are often coined who will lose out regardless, but who will continue support such an effort for reasons related to ideology and nothing else.
It’s that size of an economy BECAUSE of the free trade permitted by being in the most privileged position in the EU for many decades.
That wont last now.
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Don't worry, Canada seems to be doing OK for itself at the rank of 10.
Are you guys still talking to the New Zealand Brick wall ?
Plus, we wouldn't want him to influence someone who doesn't know much about politics into thinking his ideals are the correct ones if his arguments and reasoning aren't debunked.
Lol wat I've never heard of chav vans. Am British and used to have a fairly wide circle of chav-y friends.
"Chavs often drive vans" sounds like your own classist projections
I think you're thinking of white van men, which while a working class stereotype is distinct from chavs. White man van probably voted brexit, while the chav probably didn't vote at all.
If someone tells me calmly and "politely" that countries being colonialised is a good thing, he doesnt deserve any patience. Because that's exactly what you're supporting if you're saying British colonies should still be vassals to the UK. He don't respect independant nations sovereign rights because he's nostalgic of colonial empires, one of the worst crimes of western history. And that's not just dumb as hell, it's dangerous.
The tone doesnt matter. His views are ignorant and vile and he doesnt deserve any patience from anyone.
Post Brexit UK will be a joke, and the Brits will blame it on the government rather than face the fact that they were at a poker table trying to play with Uno cards.
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