• Facepunch Anonymous Political Confessions Thread: I just want darkness for all
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I've quoted this bit by MLK many many times, but it's always ridiculously relevant "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
I'm sorry you had such awful experiences and I understand how you would feel that way. However, I specified "willing" prejudice. I know people with limited experience are going to have certain views. What I'm talking about is people who know better than that, but still want a reason to mistreat other people. And trust me, I've dealt first hand with people like that, didn't matter how many of "the good ones" took care of them, were well-behaved, were well-articulate, we were still subhumans doing our job like a "good nigger" is supposed to do.
Of course, it's something I've been through myself. My point wasn't to be passive when you as an individual are targeted (In fact, I'd argue the exact opposite, in a real-world environment your safety is more important than educating people), but that when people spew their opinions at the dinner table, with friends, online, at a rally, literally wherever, you've got a lot more leeway with how you handle it and how you treat them. Activism and debate, online or not, are supposed to help spread a viewpoint (in this case the viewpoint that minority groups aren't so different from the majority), and by actively shunning, insulting or attacking anybody who opposes or even disagrees with the slightest aspect of said viewpoint, repels everybody who doesn't already agree away from the ideals that are trying to be spread because the one spreading them looks like an immature angry twat. Nobody calling me a bigot on the internet, or saying that people who held the views I used to were scum helped me grow in any way. Making four new friends and a healthy dose of self-relflection did more than a thousand angry twitter rants ever could.
I'm a little worried at ones that are having very strong opinions on something they seem to have a fairly shallow understanding of...especially ones that result in hating groups of people. Like, if you're gonna someone based on what they stand for, at least try to understand what they stand for and why first :c
I think you might be reinforcing that person's beliefs.
I'm pretty liberal but I'd rather vote for actual nazis than be associated politically with some of the insufferable weenies on this forum I wish more conservative posters would post to PD and argue in a way that is at least honest. The only ones that seem to post are idiots, trolling, or purposely hiding their true ideology because they are too embarrassed to admit it. I also don't like all the snipes that get posted to your average trump thread I’m pretty liberal, I’m Bi, I am totally cool with Transgender people, and people of all races. I think Healthcare is a right, as well as abortions, and guns. But I’m sick of hyper-socialist progressive ideas and political correctness. I wish I could vote on singular issues instead of having to vote for sides. I think a Jordan Peterson is pretty damn smart, his ideas are good. While I don’t agree with everything he says. Facepunch and most people I come into contact with completely misrepresent his arguments, and shit on him so much and it bothers me. My life has gotten significantly better over this year, following his advice in 12 Rules. I find myself siding with many conservative ideas now a days because I find it hard to find Leftist with solid arguments. I can't wait for the baby boomers to die and the Gen Xers to be a minority. Every time one of them pulls the millenial card, I actually want to kick them in the hip. Donald Trump's entire generation is strangling the planet and they need to be held accountable before death takes them. Right-wing powerlifters will take over the world and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Trans-women are a direct attack on women's rights, remember all those rights we fought for, well now you are fucking it up for the rest of us - a woman i'm right wing and i think capitalism is a disease Even though I agree with their position, too many left wing posters are clearly just as uninformed the ones we make fun of on the right.
well, if only JP would talk like a normal human being I could maybe stop "misrepresenting" his ideas. I mean, I'd say a big part of intelligence is how well you can simplify the ideas that are in your head. It's very easy to just use big words and broadly talk about concepts, to simply them to the level the average joe can understand is true actual intelligence IMO. that's what I meant to quote.
Try to remember that while plenty of the more extreme views will be indeed genuine, some will be coming from people that are fully aware that their "confession" will be posted to everyone here, so being controversial will grant them the strong reaction they're looking for. Not every shitpost or bid for attention has to be as unsubtle as "i wanna be smashed by mike pence".
I had missed a bunch a few days ago, so I'm making a post here to bump the thread and bring follower's attention while editing a post on page 1 for newcomers. I imagine @Perogi Palooka 's confessions are in here? I feel like its entirely unfair and short sighted that we appear to try and desperate cling to the norms that we've grown up with in regards to Climate Change. The problem with our society in regards to CC is the fact the Europe, the United States, China, Brazil and every major player would rather continue and desperately search for ways to continue consumer capitalism simply because things may not work at first. We cannot just ignore that even if we remove the fuel consumption, the material and travel pollution that occurs with our globalized markets has just as much of an effect on the planet. Everything we do does and as such we should be changing how we shop, create and consume. It should be purely localized. Global market trading will always be the biggest roadblock to truly fixing the ecological damages we've done to the environment. I'm Californian and pretty liberal on most social and economic issues but I am also staunchly pro-2A. These two thing I feel isolate me not just on Facepunch, but on the internet as a whole. I've got FP calling me a trump-lovin redneck for believing firearms are an essential right for americans, and then people on the right unironically threatening to napalm my friends and family for the crime of living in California. I'm one of those believers in "every country gets the government it deserves" so I firmly believe that my fellow americans deserve to OD on fentanyl, suffer agonizing deaths from preventable diseases because they refuse to vote in people in favor of universal healthcare, and they deserve to be crushed in coal mines. We also deserve Trump, we're a shit nation and we deserve a shit president I have absolutely no interest nor intention of working with the Republicans to repair this country after Trump is gone from office. As far as I'm concerned, the entire party is guilty of supporting Trump's inhuman policies and should be treated as such when his administration gets torn down. I realize vilifying their party like this makes me as bad as them to an extent (so much for the tolerant left xD), but we've seen the GOP and its voter base reveal their true colors these past two years; racist scumbags who will stop at nothing to remove the civil liberties from the people who don't align with their ideals, even if it means bringing the rest of the country down with them. Facepunch seems less and less open to actual political debate. Even Asking a controversial political question usually ends with mocking or dismissing the question outright. I feel like it's not even worth trying to understand other people's political ideas any more. Okay, so, I'm a liberal, voted straight blue this year, voted Hillary (reluctantly) in 2016, and fucking believe you me, I want NOTHING more than for the gaslighting motherfuckers in power to get jailed. All the same, I feel like FP is getting a bit too... Extreme for me, lately? I've seen more than one thread agreeing in consensus that physically attacking protesting nazis is simply the right thing to, and while I understand the sentiment of their endgame being far worse than that, it's literally what they want, to lure out anger and then point at it as a scapegoat. That was their objective at Charlottesville. What are you realistically going to do? Beat up the nazis, they go home and spread how they were beaten up by ~leftist thugs.~ Kill the nazis, you just gave the nazis the biggest PR boost in 80 years. I feel as though the only sensible option is to avoid giving them a public platform at all costs. Maybe if they're starting to drop the curtain and talk about how they're going to actually do the shit they talk about in private, but in the current conditions where they're relatively small and haven't been doing THAT much I feel like violent confrontation only helps them. Sorry, that got kind of rambling, I've kept it in for awhile. But yeah, that, stuff like some of the members becoming gradually more 'rapturous' and righteous with their talk of retribution, it makes me worry that in the long run we're going to just become another group of cultists obsessed with our sports team/party winning above all else, even if the US dems ARE objectively better than the current GOP. Anyone who thinks attempting to breach / cross the US/Mexico border en-mass with a literal battalion of Border Patrol agents on high alert on the other side is a good idea probably isn't very smart. Modern politics are an absolute mess and do nothing but breed radicalization. Polidicks is a good example of this. There is very rarely any actual discussion, and if there is its gone by page one or two because everyone will flood in with epic zingers and do nothing but be passive aggressive and ignore any points that are brought up. Any personal experiences are wrong "because the internet says different". Opinions are 100% fact, and anyone who makes any effort to put an actual say into a debate is ignored and the shitposting continues. It's childish, and just about the same as our own politicians who'd rather throw shit at each other than do anything productive. People who claim to be 'left' or 'right' are both retarded, and both sides don't care for you. The left and the right both push the "Us vs Them" mentality that is dividing the nation. There 100% unironically needs to be some sort of mass movement to expel some of these people from office by force and it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Both sides are corrupted. You can be gay, and own a gun, and smoke weed and be a mountain man with a big truck. Stop acting like these are exclusive to political parties. Quality of life matters. Poverty is a serious issue. Having to work 40-60 hours a week between two jobs paying people minimum wage that they need 2-3 years of experience and a PHD to be a cashier at Target or any other basic job is going to lead down to some serious issues down the line with violence being directed at all the wrong people. I would not be surprised within the next 15-30 years we start seeing violent attacks against hospital because of the growing prices of medical. Someone I know was footed with an 11k bill from a "non profit hospital" just to give him a CT Scan and tell him he had kidney stones and he'd need to get a hold of his other doctor for a surgery. They gave him some ibuprofen and sent him out the door with an 11k bill for a ER visit. That is nearly what he makes in an entire year working retail, and his work doesn't offer him health insurance as they make sure he works just enough hours to make sure he isn't eligible. People are being pressed into a corner, and it will only end bad for each other, rather than the people who are okay with causing these issues for a quick buck or political gain. We are on a dark and slippery slope. If something isn't done now, it is going to end badly for everyone, not just Americans. I voted for brexit and regret it so much. holy shit. oh fuck oh fuck were gonna b poor the cabal of people who brigade SA and Polidicks posts with boxes that disagree with their shared ideology disgust me. you know who you are. it's always the same 8-9 of you. I just want everyone to get along... Adding onto the last wall of text, again, I totally understand why there's so much vitriol, having to deal with a party that's made "be a disingenuous asshole" the party the line, but I wish people here were a little more willing to be genuine and courteous to those that disagree. Yeah, a decent portion of the conservative viewpoints on here clearly don't give a shit about discussion anymore and are just here to have a go, but I feel like there's a better chance of -maybe- getting a decent response out of them, why they're acting like that if you're friendly and level with them. Like, I see people what few regulars FP has left dog-piling relentlessly over someone that said something stupid, and it makes me think about back in the day where you had the Sanius squad basically bullying anyone who didn't take their at the time further left than normal views on social justice. It's worth nothing that I probably wouldn't have even considered those viewpoints at the time if they hadn't been brought up so aggressively, but I still thought "why would they expect anyone to take their viewpoints if they're being such sanctimonious pricks about it?" I feel like that could be applied here as well, maybe. Thanks for reading this much if you did. i'm gay, please fist my ass daddy Democracy was literally a mistake, in no other field would you let the average idiot make massive destiny changing decisions like this. Imagine if doctors were elected rather than hired based on their ability. It'd be a disaster. You'd have idiots getting voted in for promising all sorts of bullshit and malpractice left and right. I only accept it on the basis of what else can you replace it with. Even so, democracy should be kept to an absolute minimum, enough to stop full on authoritarianism but at a small enough amount that the average idiot isn't making any decisions that matter. all the regulars now are wound up so tight with lungs and minds so full of their own delicious fart smell they can no longer fathom getting along and memeing about israel and N I G G E R S and libertarian economics (ron paul 2012) like we all used to in sh before 2016 happened instead everyone wants to make quirky snipes and big mclargehuge doublespaced grandstands about why drumpy so ebul disney villain and anyone who supports him is hilleraly litler and this is why its a good thing and rake in those sweet sweet coins and gems and and e-rep points to inflate their pee pees with god damn fuck ass smurfy is a doubleplusgood poster but a bad mod choice and he will kill us all aaaaaaa this subforum is not fun anymore I can't stand reading about the News anymore because everything has a clear slant and everyone is grouped together in made-up singular groups opposite of the norms we are assigning to you. You're either with us or against us. You're either part of the good guys or part of the bad guys. Political ideology has turned into a cult and it's tearing apart the country and dehumanizing our fellow citizens in exchange for the profit that comes from the destruction and the news stories and policy points that result. I think there's a lot of depressed people being given a community by the transgender community who aren't actually trans as much as they just want to be accepted by people around them and it's for the worse. I've met a lot of extremely manipulative people in the community and if I even mention this people get ridiculously offended I don't think Trump is as evil as people here want him to be. I don't think the Russia scandal is as deep as people want it to be, and is borderline a conspiracy theory. I think he's an idiot in over his head and probably got his lawyers/people to get outside dirt on Hillary and that's it. I don't believe in some grand conspiracy where he's a Putin slave intent on destroying the country. He's just destroying the country by being a dumb ass who was spoiled and handed everything his whole life including his business empire and this is the first real job he has had in his whole life. Any rich prick can run a real estate business. Everything else Trump tried failed. Most of Trumps contact with Russia will be related his failed attempt at getting a hotel in Russia. Politicians subvert the interests of the nation by appealing to the base interests of the lowest common denominator of people, thus the solution to the political problem is to minimize elections wherever possible. Limit all offices to a single term, slightly longer to compensate for the reduction. No longer required to campaign during their term and thus depend on the party for support, politicians will be more willing to take drastic and otherwise politically-sensitive actions -- think Obama in 2012; "I have no more campaigns to run, my only agenda is for the people," or somesuch. Think about it. Trump this and Putin that, can't someone just take a dump on my face already? Anti-Gun politicians are motivated by racism and classism. That is reason enough to be Pro-Gun. Shooting guns and blowing up shit is just an added bonus. Transgender folk on Facepunch need to pop a Valium and actually argue with a level head. They seem to freak out and play into the hands of people shouting "mental health problems!" regarding transgender rights. Facepunch has made me drift further towards the right-wing because most of the liberals in the news section of this site are insufferable faggots. fp is excellent proof that the internet makes you gay I think most people are only liberal because they’re younger or have a silly idealistic view of the world, boiling down complex issues into stupid one line singers like “tax the rich”. People shouldn’t have free upper education, most people take pointless degrees for the sake of delaying real responsibility for a couple of years.
I feel this a lot. I've had people calling me GOP for being pro-2A and living in Cali. Some of my friends are also super temperamental and will have a mental breakdown the moment you mention guns which makes it hard to discuss anything related to it with them.
Well it certainly denotes a level of social intelligence. There’s definitely a ton of hyper intelligent people who suck at conveying their ideas.
I will proudly agree with this. Just because you think you're morally right doesn't mean you don't have to understand why. I am deeply left-leaning and the sheer tone-deafness of some left wing posters here fucking boggles my mind. These days I just read the article and that's all I can stand.
Facepunch has TERFs it seems
i'm gay, please fist my ass daddy Finally, something we can all agree on. I'm glad we found something that can bring us together with all the divisiveness here
Modern politics are an absolute mess and do nothing but breed radicalization. Polidicks is a good example of this. There is very rarely any actual discussion, and if there is its gone by page one or two because everyone will flood in with epic zingers and do nothing but be passive aggressive and ignore any points that are brought up. Any personal experiences are wrong "because the internet says different". Opinions are 100% fact, and anyone who makes any effort to put an actual say into a debate is ignored and the shitposting continues. It's childish, and just about the same as our own politicians who'd rather throw shit at each other than do anything productive. People who claim to be 'left' or 'right' are both retarded, and both sides don't care for you. The left and the right both push the "Us vs Them" mentality that is dividing the nation. There 100% unironically needs to be some sort of mass movement to expel some of these people from office by force and it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Both sides are corrupted. You can be gay, and own a gun, and smoke weed and be a mountain man with a big truck. Stop acting like these are exclusive to political parties. Quality of life matters. Poverty is a serious issue. Having to work 40-60 hours a week between two jobs paying people minimum wage that they need 2-3 years of experience and a PHD to be a cashier at Target or any other basic job is going to lead down to some serious issues down the line with violence being directed at all the wrong people. I would not be surprised within the next 15-30 years we start seeing violent attacks against hospital because of the growing prices of medical. Someone I know was footed with an 11k bill from a "non profit hospital" just to give him a CT Scan and tell him he had kidney stones and he'd need to get a hold of his other doctor for a surgery. They gave him some ibuprofen and sent him out the door with an 11k bill for a ER visit. That is nearly what he makes in an entire year working retail, and his work doesn't offer him health insurance as they make sure he works just enough hours to make sure he isn't eligible. People are being pressed into a corner, and it will only end bad for each other, rather than the people who are okay with causing these issues for a quick buck or political gain. We are on a dark and slippery slope. If something isn't done now, it is going to end badly for everyone, not just Americans. Having healthcare is bad guys. You're just lazy, pull yourself up by the bootstraps. OP really shouldn't include post like that. Kind've annoying to see them inbetween peoples actual heartfelt post. It's only gonna encourage more shitposting responses.
I think its about the issue they have with incoming self-ID policies, so its stuff like single-sex spaces, allocation of resources, female only scholarships and quotas etc.
It isn't. A TERF just likes to discredit trans people at every opportunity. "You're living a lie, you're still a dude and therefore still priveleged" is one of the core opinions of them. Quite disgusting, if you ask me.
I know a few people who think the same way and arent TERF at all. Its pretty easy to see their way of thinking, even if you disagree or do happen to find it repulsive.
So, how does this impede any progress women have made again?
I think its along the lines of people then being able to say they are women, without being biologically women, thus basically ruining it for all the biologically female women. Arguments will probably be stuff like crime rates etc.
TERF or not, I don't see how an opinion like that is anything but divisive and hateful. I guess I just don't understand
But what exactly would be ruined regarding that? Guys pretending to be women to get into bathrooms and rape someone?
Yeah, one showed up last page and another this one. Thank you so much for keeping at it and sorting through everything. I didn't mean to come off as unappreciative or attacking you with that earlier post- I was just feeling bumbed that I didn't see it for a day and I was just being impatient.
I think that is probably one of their concerns, stats wise it could downplay periods, pregnancy etc, and think it may skew stats like wage gaps, health, employment, and probably their biggest point, allocation of resources away from women to trans people. I don't know too much, just taking a guess.
okay, you have to understand radfem here. These aren't sane people. Imagine that you're a feminist, and you really do hate men. That's not an exaggeration this time, this isn't just a caricature, this is really how you actually feel. They're subhuman trash, they're the cause of everything wrong with the world, They're scumbag rapists that are far more like animals than humans. if we could gas them all in camps and carry on making female babies another way, that would be just 👌. Now imagine that these subhuman pieces of shit think they can """"PRETEND""" to be part of the glorious sisterhood. A man. Just being a woman. Wearing disguises. Walking amongst you and your SISTERS. Presumably just waiting for the right moment to pounce and rape you. To you, these are infiltrators. Now imagine some of your fellow women also decide to just shit all over this flat-out cultish perception of womanhood you've built in your head by being trans men. Why would someone just choose to live like a fucking degenerate subhuman savage? To you, these are traitors. Like any fucking retarded ideology, they've got all sorts of peripheral shit to drag into argumentation, but it all loops back to this. It's like asking a white supremacist why black people have impeded civilization. They have answers, just not any that are worth even listening to.
trans people make up less than three quarters of a single percent of the US population, and health records usually indicate biological sex, so I don't really see how it could skew things
I know over here the current debate it about self-identification, so I believe the issue is that if it becomes simple to change, then the number will rise.
If we allow gay marriage to happen, what will happen next? It's a slippery slope until people start marrying their dogs.
But he is such a good boy
Dude, that ship has sailed: https://nnimgt-a.akamaihd.net/transform/v1/resize/frm/silverstone-feed-data/97746aff-db7a-41b1-863c-0a20561b4138.jpg/w1200_h678_fmax.jpg
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