Facepunch Anonymous Political Confessions Thread: I just want darkness for all - Polidicks

The level of delusion a few posters here harbour is mind-boggling.

I don't even understand, most of the people complaining are people who work? The majority of conversations I've had with people on FP about jobs are people currently working a vast array of jobs from underpaid part time work to full time researchers.

It's just the lie idiots tell themselves to avoid questioning their own beliefs. "Everyone disagreeing with me must not have any idea how the world really works. Only I'm so enlightened."

FP crosses a a variety of left from democratic socialists to third way democrats, but you rarely see anyone going further than that. Maybe a handful of outliers are further left than that, but they're in the direction of the greens or Anarcho-comunes, which, unlike totalitarian communism, don't have tens of millions of bodies behind them.

Grenadiac, ilikecorn, Albert Wesker, Kartoffel and one other person who I just randomly spaced as I started writing this are all in general quite decent posters. Below them would be Joey Skylynx who gets a bit far into conspiracy theory tier nonsense at times and posts some ill-informed views but at least attempts to discuss things with people on a level playing field and, in my experience, always seems to come across as if he's approaching the discussion honestly. There's also other users like Chonch and Sgman who are clearly intelligent people and who should be part of that previous group but insist on arguing stupidly and refusing to learn their lessons rather putting out the effort to have a proper productive discourse with people. And those are just the ones who immediately come to mind for me. I know for certain there are others, they just post much more infrequently than these users so I can never keep track of them. Political fact-checking has gotten to the point where people would rather someone else tell them what to believe and not-believe, rather than investigating any of the sources or putting effort into it. It's disturbing and coming from both sides, imo. It's kinda become necessary simply to keep track of everything unfortunately. In many ways Brave New World was right, just not necessarily in a malicious way. There's so much to keep track of that it's very time consuming to keep track of everything that's important. And most people simply don't have the time necessary to devote to that. Nowadays I feel more and more that its simply not worth it to go against the prevailing opinion (which is getting more and more predictable...) in many news threads, even if I disagree with them. If I'd make a quick, concise reply, it'd get absolutely torn to shreds by multiple users because its a low hanging fruit. I try to avoid this, it just doesn't sit well with me. If I make a lengthier, well thought out argument, backed up with sources, statistics etc., it quite often gets completely disregarded. No replies, no ratings, nothing. It's like no one wants to hear it. If your view is reasonable then you should definitely post it rather than worrying about it getting ignored. Even if people don't rate it or respond to it (which happens, a lot of the posts I take time and put a fair bit of effort into result in the same thing) that doesn't mean nobody is reading it. And if nobody is replying to it and isn't just dumbing it to oblivion then it's a fairly safe bet that even if they disagree with your views you argued solidly enough that they can't actually debate it.

Well, until gun control comes into play, then he just seems to lose it.

Yeah, this. Don't worry about people tearing you to shreds. Forum rep is meaningless. The worst that can happen is that you learn something new.

Yeah. Facepunch is clearly not a left-wing echo chamber, given that a whole bunch of people nominated Grenadiac to the Polidicks user council - but we are a reason echo chamber. And there's nothing wrong with that. You don't deserve points for spewing disingenuous bullshit just because it goes against reasonable consensus, nor should we have to tolerate it.

Still... Does Grenadiac even count as conservative? He appears to support economic and social policy that is far more typical of the Democrat party than Republican. It's just that he calls himself conservative and has an avatar with the Confederate flag, but that seems completely incongruent with everything else we know about him.

Not sure what you mean? Every thread I talked about guns in is a permanent dogpile of ten billion dumbs from everyone. I happen to align with FP on a majority of issues but I'll call you out any day for thinking gun owners or gun rights activists are a "minority" on FP... The only reason I've not posted in those threads recently is because I haven't had the time or desire to go through that zombie dude's list of documentation and articles on gun crime and gun ownership (Only gone so far as to take a glance at the source quality, lots of hard right wing bias there, unsurprisingly, but I still haven't genuinely worked through it).

You must remember that their are two brands of conservatives: Neo-Cons and Libertarians. Most of FP's conservatives are the latter.

It's not like you can exploit quote edits the way you used to be able to, thankfully. As a Conservative, I feel lost to find any party which actually fits my beliefs. Hell, I'm the odd one out with most conservatives for my views. I'm for the legalization or decriminalization of narcotics, support the removal of all gun control, wish to see a National Bank alongside state banks[who am I?], and wish to see a reform of the welfare/food stamp system into something which is tiered. The later one is of big interest for me because all though I have lived most of my life with a father and mother who refused to get food stamps out of purely their belief of not taking government assistance if they don't need it, I still see a reason for it. My biggest issue with the current system though is that it'll ultimately create an event horizon with how it's setup. People will not want to leave welfare if it benefits them to greatly compared to taking up actual employment. What I'd like to suggest is the following: Make welfare based on a guarantee to at least $35,000 USD per year, but have it setup so that this is matched up too your current income from the likes of work. Once you go over the $35,000 point you get welfare shut off. Pure and simple. Before I get called heartless, I'd also like to see a system in which the government offers loans and aids individuals along with their families in the stressful times of moving. I'd imagine such a system could work in similar fashion to how certain household refurbishing loans work out. When you take a job that is say across the country, you can take out a loan which will give you XYZ amount of money too pay for moving expenses, and said loan would be paid back via simply deducting from tax refunds over a 5-year period. Now with that in mind... I want you too imagine the position I'm in with finding my place in this political system. I'm still a Conservative, but I want to move this country forward by applying systems that make sense in practice, and are not just throwing money into a sacrificial shitting hole. I feel like a black sheep within conservatism, and it fucking hurts. Don't know if this is political enough to count, but I used to think trans people were disgusting as fuck until I started beatin it to crossdressers. Perhaps jerkin off so much to the point of needing to find new fetishes to get off can change the minds of transphobic people. I'm a pretty left leaning guy but Facepunch is way too left for me at times. It seems like a race for who can be the most idealistic and righteous poster there is. Like universal income for example, who the hell actually thinks its a great idea for having to depend on the U.S government to get by, or let schmucks who don't work sit around all day paid by our tax dollars, they do exist you know. can america fire up some nukes to russia already for mutually assured destruction so we can get rid of 2 subhuman populations at once Perhaps I'm a horrible person for thinking this but I think both the Israeli and Palestinian states as they are should be purged clean. Hamas is a clear fucking example of the problem and yet they somehow have support even though its because they keep pissing away resources to continuenthrowing stones at the hornets nest that is Israel, then posting photos of the dead/injured children and collateral damage even though they provoked a response to begin with. Meanwhile Israel persists blindly with its "WE ARE DEFENDING OURSELVES" rhetoric which, despite technically being true doesn't change the fact they are causing massive civilians casualties in the process. That, and the overall heavy handed approach towards protesters. And tbh this us or them mentality is a fucking cancer. Palestinians hate Israelis for killing Palestinians who throw stones at them while Israelis don't want stones to be thrown at then and retaliate to stop it which makes Palestinians hate them more. TL;DR maybe we should gas the lot of em? Ⓐ FUCK THE STATE Ⓐ Every time I hear someone say Hillary would have done worse when someone brings up Trump the part of my mind that wants an asteroid to hit this planet and wipe out humanity grows. I think, in the decades after the horrors of World War 2, society as a whole has not become less racist, but more racist. You'd think that, after such mindless violence that any intelligent species would say "You know, hating someone just for the lifestyle they lead, or the country they were born in, is super irrational and only leads to war and strife, maybe we should not do that any more." But here we are, with the same ideologies being espoused. Racism didn't go away, it just became quieter. On Facepunch, we might be forgiven for thinking the world is a less racist place, but it really isn't. People are happy for other nationalities to be trampled on, even if they don't say it or show it. Weirdly, when confronted, people would never want any ill-harm to come to these people, they just want them to 'go away'. Not die. Not be forcefully deported. Just 'go away'. Fuck off, of their own volition. I fear that, for society to get over this racist bender, we'll need another World War 2, but more disastrous.

Facepunch is filled with mentally ill people that are using politics to drive themselves further into depression and other mental health issues. The best thing for many people here would be to ignore politics and find other things to do besides get more suicidal because you read an article saying Trump is bad for the 100th time this week. Don't tell him about Reddit. Or Twitter.

Legalize recreational nukes Antifa is probably the most foolishly supported group there is. Honestly, give me ONE example, just ONE, where they actually accomplished anything other than throwing an ineffective shitfit. They are the most ineffective way of combating the things they claim to combat and only a fool could be deluded into supporting their pathetic attempts at change. Facepunch is an echo chamber. "If more right wing posters were like Chonch for example then I don't think they'd feel such of a problem." hahahahahahahahahahahahaha okay. honestly this and the whole "if only the spineless right wingers would just come out and fight" bullshit is exactly why I and I have no idea how many other posters would never dare stand up for ourselves. I have watched the same people saying "wHy DoN't YoU jUsT sHaRe" dogpile moderately conservative opinions off the news boards over the past 4 years until the only right-of-center posters were the radiocatively stupid "why can't I have no minimum wage so I can work 4 jobs and make 4 moneys!!!!" posts of [Redacted] or the dreaded [4 Letters] posting, both of which aren't right wing, they're just insufferable strawmen that exist to make the upper middle class neoliberals on the forum feel justified when they say "napalm the flyover states." Oh, and remember the-poster-the-moderator-name-changed-to-liar? Yeah, that inspires confidence in the fucking process. So yeah, I'd rather just sit quietly while sheltered kids from California and Brighton jerk eachother off over FP than have to associate myself with actual idiotic stereotypes or have friends tell me that they'll never talk to me again because I "have terrible opinions." Same thing, nobody bats an eye or calls out what an awful fucking post it is when we get the 500th "let's hang all the Republican senators for treason" post or "if you don't support chemically transitioning trans infants you support infant genocide" or "this is JUST LIKE HANDMAIDENS #shook". at best the dolts pretending to be level headed moderates when they're blatant left wing storm troopers just politely excuse those posts then go back to jerking off over the latest stupid Tweets and screeching "not all Antifa! by definition they are a force of good so gas the nazis!" I don't get how people pretend that the 5 too-smart-for-welfare-libertarians in Polidicks are somehow the epitome of being "a reasonable conservative" when they're each just 1-topic postbots that have the autistic fortitude to uphold a 36-hour, 80 page conversation about Gun Rights against an international coalition of leftists who can freely shitpost about "muh guns" and call their opponents retards and liars, but aren't shy about begging to have the righty banned if they misspell Xir or give up on the argument after two realtime days of relentless goalpost moving and "bUt SoUrCeS". Fucking ridiculous. This has nothing to do with "anonymity makes people fuckwads" or whatever will be said to discount this post as "some troll being edgy", this is me speaking for myself and saying what I've been putting off saying since the Tumblr tier meltdown over Trump's victory, and I hope anyone else who feels this way can be happy knowing you aren't alone. I have no idea when things will blow over, or if they ever will, but I want you to know that if you feel outnumbered or overwhelmed by these attitudes, there's at least one real person who believes in what you do too <3 I didn't say that Chonch's opinions are "safer" or "more agreeable". I said that he can argue better than saying something like, "Donald Trump has done absolutely nothing wrong and everyone who disagrees with me is a sensitive child." Without saying anything else. If your sources and argumentation are legitimate, would they not hold up in the debate? Feel free to make your claims, just provide the proper posting for it instead of drive-by shitposting. You cry about having friends leave you for "terrible opinions" yet you refuse to describe what those opinions are. You don't get to fucking say that the sky is red, and get to feel vindicated in playing victim when people leave you after they show to you that the sky is blue. That's not how the world works. People have been calling out the calls for violence. You complain of strawmanning but type something like "misspell Xir or give up on the argument after two realtime days of relentless goalpost moving and 'bUt SoUrCeS'". Here's a pointer: How come every far-right poster on here never has talked about Force as a political concept? How come you guys don't talk about what you feel out of being a part of a Nation? Don't just cry when people call you out on a post that they don't get anything out of than "Hey, I think you fucking suck. Your ideas are stupid and I am better than you." I'm not going to say that the other side isn't at fault of the same thing, either. The amount of faith people have in the left party, and the amount of tolerance they have for a party that openly fucks them in the ass with no regard for their own voter base is seriously concerning. I like to think most people are rational people, but who fucking knows these days.. Identifying with Nazis or Confederates should be considered treason. Armed Nazis should be considered enemy combatants and shot on sight. boomers are actually the fucking worst and when people complain about millennials in some way either by saying "millennials are lazy just pull yourself up" or "stop blaming boomers for your generational mistakes" i just fume. boomers ruined the economy by pushing for legislative changes that only benefited them, they are anti-climate change because surely they can't be the generation to ruin the fucking planet and worst of all they WON'T FUCKING DIE so a generation that won't evebe here any more in 10-20 years has an enormous say in OUR future. Usually, there's less old people than young people, but the baby boom has completely lopsided it and we can't fucking escape. i'm doing whatever i can to improve our future but when the old retards vote for shit like Brexit or believe in QAnon the fuck am i supposed to do

An unhelpful amount of Trump threads are posted in PD; in reality it's just a bunch of noise. Truth is, very few (if any) will have any idea what-so-ever of what the implications of every development are. In reality it's unhelpful, because users hear about a lot of details that might end up having little or no relevance. But because they read (titles, mostly) about it constantly, they might feel that they're actually following the investigation closely, but they honestly have no clue of what's going on. But it leads to a lot of "Now THIS proves there was collusion"-posts, and it makes me roll my eyes. The recent news about Michael Cohen is a good example of what SHOULD be posted in PD. Background articles or major developments are great, but posting all the minutiae is just dumb. It clogs up the forums, and while people might FEEL they know a lot, because they've "followed" the investigation closely, in reality they have few or no qualifications in understanding the issues of the cases are and very little of the investigation is public. It's like asking a layman to analyse results from CERN and then also obscure half the data. You don't do that. Just give them the rundown when someone qualified has gone over it. yes please

"If more right wing posters were like Chonch for example then I don't think they'd feel such of a problem." hahahahahahahahahahahahaha okay. honestly this and the whole "if only the spineless right wingers would just come out and fight" bullshit is exactly why I and I have no idea how many other posters would never dare stand up for ourselves. I have watched the same people saying "wHy DoN't YoU jUsT sHaRe" dogpile moderately conservative opinions off the news boards over the past 4 years until the only right-of-center posters were the radiocatively stupid "why can't I have no minimum wage so I can work 4 jobs and make 4 moneys!!!!" posts of [Redacted] or the dreaded [4 Letters] posting, both of which aren't right wing, they're just insufferable strawmen that exist to make the upper middle class neoliberals on the forum feel justified when they say "napalm the flyover states." Oh, and remember the-poster-the-moderator-name-changed-to-liar? Yeah, that inspires confidence in the fucking process. So yeah, I'd rather just sit quietly while sheltered kids from California and Brighton jerk eachother off over FP than have to associate myself with actual idiotic stereotypes or have friends tell me that they'll never talk to me again because I "have terrible opinions." Same thing, nobody bats an eye or calls out what an awful fucking post it is when we get the 500th "let's hang all the Republican senators for treason" post or"if you don't support chemically transitioning trans infants you support infant genocide"or"this is JUST LIKE HANDMAIDENS #shook". at best the dolts pretending to be level headed moderates when they're blatant left wing storm troopers just politely excuse those posts then go back to jerking off over the latest stupid Tweets and screeching "not all Antifa! by definition they are a force of good so gas the nazis!" I don't get how people pretend that the 5 too-smart-for-welfare-libertarians in Polidicks are somehow the epitome of being "a reasonable conservative" when they're each just 1-topic postbots that have the autistic fortitude to uphold a 36-hour, 80 page conversation about Gun Rights against an international coalition of leftists who can freely shitpost about "muh guns" and call their opponents retards and liars, but aren't shy about begging to have the righty banned if they misspell Xir or give up on the argument after two realtime days of relentless goalpost moving and"bUt SoUrCeS". Fucking ridiculous. This has nothing to do with "anonymity makes people fuckwads"or whatever will be said to discount this post as "some troll being edgy", this is me speaking for myself and saying what I've been putting off saying since the Tumblr tier meltdown over Trump's victory, and I hope anyone else who feels this way can be happy knowing you aren't alone. I have no idea when things will blow over, or if they ever will, but I want you to know that if you feel outnumbered or overwhelmed by these attitudes, there's at least one real person who believes in what you do too <3 full stops my dude. you're blowing a gasket. exist to make the upper middle class neoliberals on the forum lol blatant left wing storm troopers you make it sound cool as fuck

he's got a point though. the extent to which certain people here have tied their mental health to politics is super unhealthy, the amount of "genocide the repubs" confessions kind of proves that. obviously i don't buy into the conservative victim complex but it's been really worrisome on a personal level ever since 2016, the amount of users who i saw experience slow mental breakdowns and become unrecognizable in real time. it's honestly pretty disturbing.

Yeah there are a lot of people that have seemingly become a bit unhinged since the election. I expected a bad presidency, but not this bad. It really does feel like all the progress made in the past 20 years is being thrown away, that's a lifetime for some people here, it's going to hurt. Others have a personal stake in all of this, or had their vision of America shattered. To an extent, I did too, in 2015 I had quite a bit of hope for the future and now I don't really know. But here, it's tame compared to Reddit or Twitter. The political areas of those websites are painful to read, echo-chambers in their purest form. During Obama's presidency if I wanted to see Drama I could go read the comments on any Fox News article about Obama, now I just go to any political subreddit, right or left, it doesn't matter, it's all the same but different targets.

The amount of people openly calling for political violence, civil wars, and revolutions kinda stuns me tbh. I feel like most of them are just shitposting, but for those that are serious about it: Please, stop. Political violence will not really fix anything in this current climate, it'll just lead to tit for tat.

These anonymous confessions are indicative of the crackhead problem endemic in the world rn. Most of you all are completely out of your fucking minds, left and right. Go outside.

Maybe they're just being edgy.

You may not like this, but reading your arguments in gun threads is part of why I have the view I do. I don't want to make you, or this topic a new issue of debate, but you explicitly have pushed me away from an "Anti gun" view because a lot of the arguments you've posted over the years, are easily refutable and not data driven what so ever. This has been demonstrated numerous times, so I'm not going to do it now, but don't try and take a moral high ground about an issue when your views about the issue in question are so inflammatory to the people you're discussing the issue with, not because of your tone, but because of your desire to ignore data that disrupts your pre-existing notions.

Identifying with Nazis or Confederates should be considered treason. Armed Nazis should be considered enemy combatants and shot on sight. This right here. Especially the confederates bit. Anyone flying the flag of the confederacy is flying the flag of actual traitors to the United States, and should be dealt with as such.

This is what's called a purity spiral

what would you have done with them?

In my experience this is because leftists have a larger stake in their ideology and are far more practiced at arguing for it. Not many people go out of their way to argue for the status quo, while on the contrary, leftists genuinely find our current system disastrous and unsustainable and see a need to convince others of this belief. Really, a lot of the times internet debate is really questionable because it's all so rehearsed. Just because someone has practiced arguing for their belief more than the person they're arguing against doesn't necessarily mean that their belief is the correct one. Having a large cache of accumulated statistics and canned responses can make your argument more convincing, but that has no bearing on actual truth.

"If more right wing posters were like Chonch for example then I don't think they'd feel such of a problem." hahahahahahahahahahahahaha okay. honestly this and the whole "if only the spineless right wingers would just come out and fight" bullshit is exactly why I and I have no idea how many other posters would never dare stand up for ourselves. I have watched the same people saying "wHy DoN't YoU jUsT sHaRe" dogpile moderately conservative opinions off the news boards over the past 4 years until the only right-of-center posters were the radiocatively stupid "why can't I have no minimum wage so I can work 4 jobs and make 4 moneys!!!!" posts of [Redacted] or the dreaded [4 Letters] posting, both of which aren't right wing, they're just insufferable strawmen that exist to make the upper middle class neoliberals on the forum feel justified when they say "napalm the flyover states." Oh, and remember the-poster-the-moderator-name-changed-to-liar? Yeah, that inspires confidence in the fucking process. So yeah, I'd rather just sit quietly while sheltered kids from California and Brighton jerk eachother off over FP than have to associate myself with actual idiotic stereotypes or have friends tell me that they'll never talk to me again because I "have terrible opinions." Same thing, nobody bats an eye or calls out what an awful fucking post it is when we get the 500th "let's hang all the Republican senators for treason" post or "if you don't support chemically transitioning trans infants you support infant genocide" or "this is JUST LIKE HANDMAIDENS #shook". at best the dolts pretending to be level headed moderates when they're blatant left wing storm troopers just politely excuse those posts then go back to jerking off over the latest stupid Tweets and screeching "not all Antifa! by definition they are a force of good so gas the nazis!" I don't get how people pretend that the 5 too-smart-for-welfare-libertarians in Polidicks are somehow the epitome of being "a reasonable conservative" when they're each just 1-topic postbots that have the autistic fortitude to uphold a 36-hour, 80 page conversation about Gun Rights against an international coalition of leftists who can freely shitpost about "muh guns" and call their opponents retards and liars, but aren't shy about begging to have the righty banned if they misspell Xir or give up on the argument after two realtime days of relentless goalpost moving and "bUt SoUrCeS". Fucking ridiculous. This has nothing to do with "anonymity makes people fuckwads" or whatever will be said to discount this post as "some troll being edgy", this is me speaking for myself and saying what I've been putting off saying since the Tumblr tier meltdown over Trump's victory, and I hope anyone else who feels this way can be happy knowing you aren't alone. I have no idea when things will blow over, or if they ever will, but I want you to know that if you feel outnumbered or overwhelmed by these attitudes, there's at least one real person who believes in what you do too <3 r u ok? Honestly this reads like the disjointed ramblings of someone who is fiercely rustled.

whats so bad about feeling strongly about something?