Joe Biden: "I think I'm the most qualified person to be president" - Polidicks

I'd say Biden's service to this country is respectable, especially given the shit that's happened to his family, but fuck do I hate his personality.

Trump's presidency makes me want someone who has the emotional range of lukewarm oatmeal but I realize that person probably can't beat win in 2020.

We're in a critical period of change and we need an actual bold visionary to take office to tackle the numerous huge issues we're facing, not someone who hocks the tranquilizing death of gradualism.

Biden would probably be an OK president by all rights, but if I were American I wouldn't choose home over, say, Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard, not by a little after.

Technically speaking he's probably right, but this comes off as especially tone-deaf considering the current political atmosphere. It comes across as the same brand of insider arrogance that people have grown tired of with the Democrats.

If it comes down to it I'll vote for Bernie in the primaries, I'm just saying that I really like Biden too.

I mean, Biden vs. Trump is the easiest question ever. There's just way better candidates like Bernie, Warren, even Richard Ojeda. Biden is near the bottom tier of the 'good' outcome and I'd be pretty disappointed.

Something about Zuck being on his own row is deeply unsettling... https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/188/6a88a88d-cf85-4830-9402-af1934d19267/Screen Shot 2018-12-04 at 9.22.12 PM.png (this is the list of people who publicly declined nomination)

Eh i mean, idk about being the most qualified. But i wouldn't have an issue if he was President.

WE NEED DIAMOND JOE https://www.theonion.com/tag/joseph-biden

saying you're qualified to be president should get you disqualified from being president

Section 1 (Section 2 is just about ratification of the amendment and when it comes into effect) of the 22nd Amendment states: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice," (gonna put the irrelevant parts in brackets, just so you know I'm not cherry picking) "[and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term]." So the only relevant part is that nobody can get elected president more than twice. The relevant part of the 12th amendment here reads: "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." The constitution's description of eligibility for the office of presidency is as follows: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." Notice the different language? While the 22nd Amendment states only that no one shall be elected to the presidency more than twice, the original constitution's section on the presidency defines certain persons as eligible (and thus, by exclusion, others as ineligible) to the office of President. The 22nd Amendment doesn't state that a former two-term president is ineligible to the presidency, and thus doesn't (despite the 12th amendment) cause them to be ineligible to be elected as Vice-President. For example, if a former 2-term President was the Speaker of the House (third in the line of Presidential succession), and both the President and Vice-President were to die, they would become the President. The 22nd Amendment doesn't exclude this because it only states that they shall not be elected more than twice, it doesn't establish that they are ineligible. Through this thought experiment we can realize that there is no "ineligibility" to be President in the case of former 2 term Presidents such as Barack Obama or even George Bush (blegh), but rather that they simply are unable to be elected to the office. Full disclosure, there are supporters of both sides of this argument, but in my opinion if you look at it with a legalistic mind, you can see the technicality that I believe any Supreme Court Justice worth their salt would pick up upon. Despite how wrong it seems, the constitution as written (which is all we have to go on) does permit a former 2-term President to be Vice-President. Now, if they were to succeed the President due to their unfortunate death, this would certainly prompt what would perhaps come close to a constitutional crisis, and would likely result in a constitutional amendment to fix this "loophole." (An amendment simply forbidding anyone from holding the office for more than 2 terms would do). One would probably expect this theoretical (former 2-term President) Vice President to have run for office and campaigned with the promise that they will resign if they become President through succession, and they would likely do so or face massive political pressure and popular protest against their subversion of the "spirit of the law", despite having followed the letter of it. That being said, who is down for a Jimmy Carter - Barack Obama ticket in 2020 (Carter only won 1 term, remember?). See, we can have Obama back

I don't see a Vice Presidential candidate promising "don't worry, I won't actually fulfill one of the most fundamental roles of the Vice President" winning an election

Prankster Biden From The Memes But Not The Actual Joe Biden 2020! It's time America had a quality meme as President, and not this shitpost straight out of /pol/ that we have now. If you wanna elect a meme, elect a good one.

Hey thanks! I was hoping someone would come up with an elaborate answer just for the heck of it. Interesting stuff.

Right, but their function is that you know they will fulfill the role. They're a backup. A backup you can't use doesn't make much sense.

So. Biden is fine. I guess. In the short term he'd bring about a net positive, but not by much. The damage from climate change is rapidly approaching. Mass refugee displacement from not just climate change, but all sorts of pointless global wars over artificially scarce resources. All sorts of internal issues like gun violence, racism and poverty. Change needs to happen fast. And if it doesn't there will be tons of more suffering. Even if the world wouldn't completely go to hell without fast change, there's still the fact that without fast change all we're doing is prolonging all sorts of suffering happening right now. Biden is not fast change. He is centrism. He is a neoliberal apologist. He represents the way things are, but slightly better maybe I guess eventually probably. And that's not good enough. I'm not American, but I wouldn't recommend supporting him over more progressive alternatives. Especially considering that the USA's actions reach much further than just the USA, they affect the whole world. I would feel the same as a Brit if an Owen Smith type candidate suddenly reared his ugly head again.

Both of these options are completely awful

No problem, and thank you! I feel honored to receive a diamond in a thread about Ole "Diamond" Joe himself. I'm studying to be a lawyer (hopefully, PoliSci major so politics is an option too), so I like to dive as deep as I'm capable of into subjects like this. It might be good practice for my future Or it'll just provide me with fun stuff to think about when I'm recycling bottles and panhandling outside a gas station for a living :P

Ojedah, the Airforce Sapper who won as a populist Democrat in Coal Country announced back in November that he was running as well. He and Bernie should work together honestly.

There's zero chance Dems nominate someone who voted for Trump even if they regret it.