• Putin threatens to develop nuclear missiles banned by US-Russia treaty
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Anyone surprised?
Cold War back on.
Who wants to bet they're already making them
https://puu.sh/CcZRw.png did he drink out of the wrong holy grail?
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/2170/270161f8-db84-4754-8448-85367a238172/image.png I'd like to think that having a puppet installed would help advance any of these plans without friction. At least this way we know and the next person entering can handle the situation. Which is disappointing yet odd. The man responsible (or often credited) for the gentle wind-down of the Cold War just died. Bush Sr. had a lot of international connections so I'm fairly certain he personally had some connection of sorts to Putin, so [slaps tinfoil hat on] Bush the Elder could theoretically have had some leverage or information on him. On the more serious side, I wonder if this is coincidental or not. Trump bashed Bush, he bashed Bush II, he bashed Clinton, he bashed McCain, he bashed Romney, he bashed Obama, he bashed everyone that had some serious push against Putin and Russia. If we want to rewind, honestly Romney was right about Russia emerging as the #1 foe in the international community. Clinton said that Putin was someone she could "handle", Obama said Putin was a concern, Bush II considered him a problem, and Bush Sr. was around, prominent, and a world leader in a time when Putin was still just a rising figure.
the more public "defriending" I see of putin towards trump / the US specifically makes me think he knows the whole trump deal he set up is going to be over soon.
Russia's really wanting to start WW3 with all the shit they're pulling, knowing they're going to have the upper hand ultimately. I don't like this timeline.
Upper hand in WW3? Are you aware in the least how nonsensical that statement is No. Most likely their intention is to increase international tensions to distract from internal tensions
Alright quick recap: The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces treaty makes it illegal to posses short-intermediate range nuclear missiles (less than 5,000km), with the idea that a nuclear missile strike is a big deal and it's use as a tactical weapon could escalate to strategic use. The idea first emerged within NATO when it was realized that the USSR had placed their new intermediate nuclear missiles on wheeled missile launchers, a horrifying concept since all previous missiles were launched from missile bases which were all well known to each side. It enabled them to use nuclear ballistic missiles in a tactical fashion, firing one off a truck at a nearby target. But then in the late 2000's and into the 2010's Russia was accused of testing intermediate range nuclear missiles, launched off trucks just like the ones that sparked the creation of the INF. Although their maximum ranges are over the 5,000km limit, Russia used them on test-targets below that range, which technically classifies them as intermediate range and puts them in violation. In light of this as well as the fact that China is not bound by the treaty and is in possession of short-intermediate range nuclear ballistic missiles, President Trump announced his intention to withdraw from the treaty. Now Putin is threatening to develop missiles that he already technically developed because America accused him of developing them, and has essentially promised to develop them once the treaty is void.
Cold War never really off, tbh. Some scholars consider that the Cold War just went dormant for a while until Putin started doing Putin things, and others consider us in the midst of Cold War II.
fucking bolton. Like the guy has no memory of the last 70 years and just spouts bullshit like he's from the 1950s
They already have them. Obama should have gotten on top of this in 2011 instead of ignoring it.
I've said it before but a Cold War requires Russia to be relevant outside of Russia and its immediate vacinity and to actually be an equal to the other super power, America. There might be one in the future, namely with China, but this isn't a Cold War and I doubt Russia's getting there anytime soon no matter how much they want you to think it is.
It isn't really hard for the US to make them either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W84 We still have the W84 nuclear warheads that we originally attached to tomahawk cruise missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-109G_Ground_Launched_Cruise_Missile It wouldn't take a whole lot of testing to make a new variant of the GLCM.
And for the record, if any of you don't know how or why an easily relocatable nuke is a Big Deal: most silos are not only known in location to the enemy but they're also very hard to avoid retaliatory/preemptive striking against beyond conventional missile defense. Having a nuke that you can move around easily is like playing chess with a guy who can pull his pieces away from the board and shove them up your ass with a moment's notice.
Is it a big deal anymore though? I mean nuclear submarines have been a thing for a long time and they pretty much do the same thing. And finding them is way harder than big ass trucks. I don't know why they bother developing these any further, the moment you use first nuclear weapon its a free-for-all. They'd be smarter to create ways to disable or destroy war heads when they are flying.
It is extremely difficult to defeat ICBM's. During the boost phase, as they launch, they are a giant pillar of fuel and fire. If you are anywhere near them, they are fairly trivial to shoot down. The problem is being near them. This happens in the middle of the enemy's country. They reach the upper limits of the atmosphere and dump all of the fire and fuel tanks, and with it most of their radar and heat signature. Now it is a bomb, falling at ridiculous speeds, from the edge of space. That part is over the target nation, where the nation can happily deploy all the defenses that it wants, but ultimately it has little chance of successfully intercepting the relatively small target.
Actually at that point they're still easy to spot. They're literally a target on the cleanest background you can get. It's the easiest task a radar has ever been assigned. The issue with a mid point intercept is you need a rocket with a lot of delta-v to reach that intercept point, and you also need a huge amount of thrust to reach that point before the target reenters the atmosphere. You ICBM has probably taken 15m to reach that point, and a similar performance rocket carrying your interceptor will probably also take 15m to reach the same point.
Vladimir Putin is the most dangerous person since Hitler. Look up "russkiy mir" and tell me it's not just the Russian version of lebensraum
I was reading the wikipedia article about the German tookover of Czechoslovakia and it very much reminded me of what has been happening to Ukraine recently. But let me reiterate; I don't believe that Putin = Hitler. Putin doesn't have a silly moustache and doesn't speak German. He also wasn't born in Austria, didn't fight in WW1 and swastika isn't his symbol of choice. So even if he were to act like him, he cannot possibly be compared to him. /s
So when do we start the Les Enfants Terribles project?
On top of this though, wouldn't it be pretty easy to intercept after this point simply because you can easily track its trajectory up until that point? You should be able to rather accurately predict where it will be at any given point in time afterwards.
Does anyone ever believe countries at super power level ever stop doing shit like that? I mean, its Russia.
It's shortly after this point the warheads and decoys separate from the warhead bus. So instead of needing two or three interceptors (to bring your P_k - probability of kill - up to the desired level), you need two or three for every warhead and decoy. They're also not "true" ballistic missiles. The warhead bus has its own propulsion system that moves the bus into the desired position to release its warheads and decoys. Not really, but you do need to call them out for it. Nations like Russia only abide by things when it suits them. Calling them out in 2011 could have led to the US developing a similar system then, forcing the Russians to come back to the treaty. They see the lack of action (in the name of peace) as weakness.
I don't see how it's a threat given that many nations have this already just it isn't modernize.
fun fact Putin is actually fluent in Germn
I still think they don't care and do as they please whenever they feel like it, but then again I'm not well versed into global politics so yeah. Just don't think any super power can be trusted. Ever.
Russia may not be technologically superior, but they've still got a shitload of nuclear missiles, and they've let themselves known that they'll play dirty. They're annexing crimea and committing political assassinations in other countries to little or no consequence. Nobody is even stepping in to help Ukraine in it's current situation. No western nation is going to use nuclear weapons against them due to MAD, and they'll happily retaliate to any nuclear threat.
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