• French regime leader Macron offers minor tax concessions to quell growing unrest
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'Gilets jaunes' French President Emmanuel Macron unveiled a series of measures in a bid to quell the anger of "gilets jaunes" ("yellow vest") protesters. The concessions included a €100 monthly rise in the minimum wage, the abolition of taxes on overtime pay in 2019, a promise that end-of-year bonuses will be tax-free and the scrapping of a new tax on pensioners earning less than €2,000 a month. Taking the pulse of the citizen movement is fairly difficult as it is not affiliated to any political party or union and it has no leadership structure. Benjamin Cauchy, one of the public faces of the movement, told France 2 that Macron presented "half measures". "We can feel that Macron has got a lot more to give," he added, suggesting the protest would continue. On Facebook, where the protests are organised, many groups calling for an "Acte 5" — a fifth day of national action on Saturday.
"Regime leader" what? The guy's called a president.
Yeah, the title is dumb and you should feel dumb for the editoralisation.
Isn't most of the grief caused not by the actual tax, but the oil prices going up
as far as I've gathered the yellow vest movement sprung from that, but they are of course demanding an end to frustrations related to many other things too. This is the list of demands I've seen around. -  Zero homeless  : URGENT.  -  Income tax  more progressive (more slices).  -  SMIC ( minimum wage for growth) of 1300 euros net.  -  Promote small businesses, villages and city centers. (Stop the construction of large commercial areas around big cities that kill small business + free parking in city centers).  -  Large Insulation Plan for housing. (to make ecological savings for households).  -  That BIG (Macdo, Google, Amazon, Crossroads ...) pay BIG and that small (artisans, TPE,PME– SME and Microenterprises) pay small.  -  Same system of social security for all (including artisans and self-entrepreneurs). End of the RSI ( the social regime of the self-employed).  -  The pension system must remain in solidarity and therefore socialized. (No retirement at peak).  -  End of the tax increase on fuel. -  No pension below 1200 euros. -  Any elected representative will have the right to a median salary. His transport costs will be monitored and reimbursed if they are justified. Right to the restaurant ticket and check-holiday. -  The wages of all French people as well as pensions and allowances must be indexed to inflation. -  Protect French industry: prohibit relocation. Protecting our industry is protecting our know-how and our jobs. -  End of detached work (where ‘posted workers’ are sent by their employer to carry out a service in another European country on a temporary basis). It is abnormal that a person who works on French territory does not benefit from the salary and the same rights. Anyone authorized to work on French territory must be equal with a French citizen and his employer must contribute to the same height as a French employer.  -  For job security: further limit the number of fixed-term contracts for large companies. We want more CDI (the default open-ended or permanent work contract in France). -  End of the CICE ( tax credits that corporations can claim for all salaries 2.5 lower than the French minimum wage). Using this money for launching a French car industry that has hydrogen (which is truly ecological, unlike the electric car.) -  End of austerity policy. We are ceasing to repay the debt interest that is declared illegitimate and we are starting to repay the debt without taking the money from the poor and the poorest but by going after the $80 billion in tax evasion. -  That the causes of forced migration are treated. -  That asylum seekers are well treated. We owe them housing, security, food and education for the miners. Work with the UN to have host camps open in many countries around the world, pending the outcome of the asylum application. -  That the unsuccessful asylum seekers be returned to their country of origin. -  That a real integration policy  be implemented. Living in France means becoming French (French language course, History of France course and civic education course with certification at the end of the course). -  Maximum salary fixed at 15000 euros. -  That jobs are created  for the unemployed. -  Increase in disabled benefits -  Limitation of rents + low-rent housing (especially for students and precarious workers). -  Prohibition to sell property belonging to France (airport dam ...) -  Substantial means granted to justice, the police, the gendarmerie and the army. That law enforcement overtime be paid or recovered. -  All the money earned by highway tolls will be used for the maintenance of motorways and roads in France and road safety. -  Since the price of gas and electricity has increased since privatization, we want them to become public again and that prices fall significantly. -  Immediate end to closure of small chains: post offices, schools and maternity homes. -  Let's bring well-being to our elderly people. Prohibition of making money on the elderly. The gray gold is finished. The era of gray well-being begins. -  Maximum 25 students per class  from kindergarten to the final year. - Substantial resources brought to psychiatry. -  The People's Referendum must enter the Constitution. Creation of a readable and effective site, supervised by an independent control body where the links can make a proposal of law. If this bill obtains 700,000 signatures then this bill will have to be discussed, completed and amended by the National Assembly, which will be obliged (one year to the day after obtaining the 700,000 signatures) to submit to the vote of all the French. -  Return to a term of 7 years for the President of the Republic. (The election of the deputies two years after the election of the President of the Republic made it possible to send a positive or negative signal to the President of the Republic concerning his policy, so it helped to make the voice of the people heard.) -  Retirement at age 60 and for all those who have worked in a trade using the body (a builder or butcher for example) a right to retirement at 55 years. -  A 6-year-old child is not able to look after him or herself, continuation of the PAJEMPLOI help system until the child is 10 years old. -  Promote the transport of goods by railway. -  No deduction of tax at source -  End of presidential allowances for life -  Prohibition of charging retailers a fee when their customers use the credit card. -  Tax on marine fuel oil and kerosene.
Some of those are hardly possible or stuff that will cause more riot further down the line Like the 7 years terms, what the fuck Till the day we get stuck with Trump 2.0 for 7yrs and we'll see how it goes Also, a people's referendum with a minimum of 700.000 signatures? In a country with 67 millions citizens? I'm pretty sure there must be an other way to do that sort of stuff It's a real mixed bag, and people will never cease to increase their demands Especially since all of this will never be implemented before the current president's run end And the next president will be in a even hotter mess, etc etc Also, it's all nice and dandy but asking things and actually implementing them is like two completely different worlds It's easy to make demands when you know nothing of Economics, law making, international relationship, trade treaty etc So I guess this movement will probably never end or end badly for all of us However we can export our revolution to the us, for a measly fee of 2 Baguettes per citizens. You probably need It more than France
Most of those ideas are kind of amazing though The burden of proof is on you anyway, meaning you have to show the scientific papers that show how these points wouldn't work, but that's another issue.
Hydrogen cars, at least, show little promise because of the difficulty in achieving the same energy density as even batteries iirc. Plus more complicated to manufacture.
French presidential terms used to last 7 years before Chirac.
macron's going to see the guillotine by the end of this if he keeps pulling shit like this. he really should resign.
Oh France.
What's the problem.
the first concession he gave was a six month moratorium on the gas tax, which just pissed people off. now he's trying to give small potatoes concessions after sending armored vehicles on the protesters and specifically saying he was not going to step down, despite that being a major reform request.
Thats not a list of demands, thats a whole platform. If they cannot narrow it down, there is no point. Burden of proof (I assume impact studies and such in this case) is definitely on those who make the original claim. See: Hitchen's razor
i would be willing to bet if macron stepped down, the protest would dissolve.
There is no "original claim" though. The demand is X. Whether X has positive or negative results is something you prove later on with sources. True, if you want to be taken seriously your party platform should include sources and scientific data behind it, but Hitchens doesn't apply because no claims were made. Good on you for trying to apply Hitchens' though, b+ for effort.
Problem is that you have a welfare state with an already very high tax rate and an aging population. I'm not against letting people who have done hard physical work retire early, but this "retire at 60" for everyone is just kinda silly when people are living to 80+ (and people who are 60 now are gonna live longer). Who's gonna take care of the old people? France already has a low retirement age of 62, after all, and people are having more and more function later in their lives.
A problem alleviated by promoting immigration, high level corporate taxes and closing loopholes. Mainly immigration tho cause immigrants are a huge boost to working population and taxes, while taking the least per capita Not a perfect one to one but it fits
I'm gonna say that really depends on the skills and the age of the immigrants, as well as how well they integrate. So far, non-Western (except Asian, I think) immigration has been a financial loss here in Denmark, while Western immigration is a big boon compared to the native population. It might change in the future, but high costs associated with welfare, coupled with high unemployment makes non-Western immigration dubious as a source of financing. When you go into retirement, you're gonna cost (largely) the same as everyone else, and if you also spent most of your life on welfare, you're creating no surplus value. Hopefully the kids will. I'm not saying that immigration isn't necessary, but to be economically viable, you need skilled workers - especially in France, where unemployment is actually rather high (partially because of a lack of skilled workers, it seems).
Also, I just found out that this whole list come from this : https://www.cnews.fr/france/2018-12-11/la-liste-des-revendications-des-gilets-jaunes-801586 This list come from a "Representative" of the Gilet-Jaune, even though, every time a "Representative" is interviewed, they say "I'm just a Gilet-Jaune and I only speak for myself" But that's an other issue Also please don't google translate stuff it's really weird But working by this list, here's what I can tell you. (I'll skip some, most of those I agree with, or hard to argue for, or against) Zero SDF Noble cause, but how? Besides homeless shelters, our current mean of helping those peoples? France currently stands at about 151.000 homeless people for 67 millions people or around 0.21% of the population European country range from 0.035% (Swizerland) and 0,46% (UK) if i'm correct Homelessness is sadly a byproduct of our civilization, and more peoples before me tried to find a solution. But we should still strive for this objective, but you can't fix this easily. SMIC at 1300€ Then again, this is problematic. How do you raise the minimum income for a full time job, without impacting the employers? It seem that they found a solution, by removing some of the taxes(about 20€ more), the yearly re valorization of the SMIC (20€), and a boost to a "Activity Bonus" Amounting to 100€ more in total. However this isn't what they asked for specifically so let's see how it goes (Prime activities, Idk how to translate this) Less commercial centers, more small business + More free parking But what about consumers? How do they plan on doing this? (Warning, opinion) Commercial centers are basically needed as of now I know that small businesses are important, but how do you supply an entire city with only small businesses? But also, can you just choose to "stop" the construction of a center as a government? What do this mean for the ones trying to build it? Ecology by housing Insulation How? (Notice a pattern here?) Government funds? Who should be eligible? Everyone? Only peoples with less than x€ per years? Dou you send an expert to chose if you are eligible? How much do you give? With what fund? Where do you raise enough money to pay for this without impaction the population? Big corp pay big, small business pay less Good. Can't really tell about future repercussion so for now it's not a bad idea. Stop raising fuel taxes Oops We signed the Paris Agreement, fuel taxes are a mean to reduce fossil fuel consumption, and by extension, carbon emission. What about... looking at the big motor corporation and tell them to work on cheaper alternative to this? Not that taxes are a good way to fix the Earth, but I have no government alternative beside banning regular cars in big cities altogether No deduction of tax at source Literally a bad thing though, "let's pay all of our salary taxes at once, besides every months" This is literally it, instead of paying once a big sum of money, you pay 12 times a small amount. Also, instant, automated update of your tax based on you situation, instead if every year. This a big 'WhY" for me. And a lot more of How, why and what money... (Also, sorry, but "Create jobs" is like the first thing people ask and the hardest thing to do as a government. Demand /supply, if a business has no room to create a new job, they just wont. You can't create Jobs out of thin air.) To clarify, there is no inherently bad thing in this list(well...), it's just that without working in a government, and knowing the in&out of the national economy, all of those are just baseless demands with to sense of what possible and what's not You can't ask "Stop the carbon tax" and "Please create Hydrogen cars" in the same list, in my opinion Some of those demands are great, some are hard to implement, some are impossible without having a direct hand in businesses, some are just ill informed. Burden of proof is good for science but when most of the "proofs" are in the governement's hand, i can only use my knowledge, and some logic. On a final note : @Kecske Like you said, it's literally a platform, and if they want to defend it, they should create an actual party. People will vote, in the end. I'm basically torn on the Gilet-Jaunes, I can't support a movement because some part are good, I need a real, tangible reason beside "It's the revolution" So hey, let's see how this turn out
I hate Macron, but he is not running a regime. That's a fucking stupid thing to say.
His message was rather unprepared, he has no say over tax laws, that is EU's law and i don't see them making exception.
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