Strong and Stable: Theresa May facing vote of no confidence on Wednesday - Polidicks

The only ray of sunshine I can see is that if May loses, it's spreading the damage Brexit will do to more of the Tory party

get this fucking hag out

If she loses, we'll likely get somebody even worse replacing her though.

Pro-May MP tells Moggo to fuck off https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1072799480909570048

May will win but she has no authority to be strengthened. Her deal still will not get through parliament. This is just another blow, if only superficial.

ERG is already briefing that 80 votes against May would be a disaster for her, which means they are anticipating that they're gonna lose and it won't be close

given the circumstances I think people don't actually want her to get on with it this one time.

Yeah this thing is over https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/165/7dfeedd9-939f-4c5e-b77c-c685b5bf39a5/Screenshot_20181212-115403__01.jpg

Ok so she stays, what now?

Wait what, only Torries get to vote on this?! What the fuck, that's not vote of no confidence!

It isn't a vote of no confidence in the government, it's a Tory MP vote of no confidence in their leader.

As soon as the plotters are done being executed in Parliament Square, it's back to status quo ante bellum. May continues her European tour in search of 'clarifications' on the Brexit deal, but the deal almost certainly still won't pass parliament so we're still stuck

Well then this is stupid. Conservatives will always tow the party line no matter how bad that is.

Also May can't be challenged for the leadership again for the next 12 months.

Absolutely shocking that these Tory MP's are blaming labour for this VONC on TV right now. Post-past-future quantum Labour are responsible for everything wrong with this country, of course. How the Conservatives retain credibility after the last ten years and now this is absolutely beyond me. This is what happens when a country and its institutions are failing its people.

It wouldn't make a difference anyway. The Tory party is like a fucking hydra of awful. If you chop off one head, another one just springs up in it's place- and it's always just as nasty as the last one. I remember people celebrating David Cameron's resignation, but honestly what changed?- the rich have continued to get richer, the poor have continued to get poorer, our public services continue to be gutted and Tory internal politics and bickering still threaten to completely fuck over our country for no good reason besides having one out of touch fossil cling to power over another. It frankly doesn't matter who is in charge of the party. If things are going to get better for the British people- the Tories need to gtfo.

This particular photo of blobfish makes me so deeply uncomfortable, mainly because of that little string of white, jizzy goop running down it's right cheek.

They keep talking about a better deal, going back to Europe and renegotiating... I mean, that's what she did yesterday and was reminded that's impossible.

It's probably just an attempt to win support for their respective side of the internal conflict, even if the EU says no such thing will occur.

What's required is complete electoral reform - there needs to be a process for a constituency being able to deselect their MP along with proportional representation to remove safe seats and at least a proportion, if not all, the seats in the Lords to be elected positions to prevent them from being stuffed with party propped up Lords & Ladies. Trouble is, I can't see any government in power putting forward policy that'd hand back power to the people.

Which is worse, no deal or no Brexit? What about no Labour government????

So is this it? Are they going to continue prattling about Russian trolls and propaganda, or are they going to return to this, or what?

Tories continuing their trend of royally screwing everything up I see

There are multiple issues with both an unelected House of Lords AND elected House of Lords. Since the UK functions on parliamentary sovereignty (which incorporates the Salisbury Convention), it would be a constitutional mess to throw in a new supreme chambers because it brings the power of the executive and the Commons into question - which chamber has supreme legitimacy? Personally, I think the House of Lords can stay as it currently is, as the main issues that currently infest British politics have very little to do with the second chamber. The spotlight needs to be shined on the terrible first-past-the-post system that the UK is very stubborn to relinquish its possession of. I think Nick Clegg tried to introduce new legislation against the HoL a few years ago, and the second chamber has indeed been gradually weakened over the years and, in contrast to the slow-burner speed of the weakening of the royal prerogative, this has been alarmingly fast in comparison.

I'd agree that the commons needs the biggest reform, but it would need jostling with HoL otherwise the power could swing too far to the Lords. As you say, there are issues both ways, which is why I'd favour having a partially elected Lords and fiercely restricting things like dissolution honours.

The Lords have barely any power as it stands. They're more of an annoyance for the politicians trying to pass legislation. Really, they're there to act as the last frontier for truly ridiculous legislation that may pass the Commons because of a huge majority the ruling party possess, à la something like Tony Blair's / Margaret Thatcher's majorities. At the end of the day, the Lords can't stop much. They just prolong the debating process until the Salisbury Convention kicks in, and then they hold their hands up and step aside anyway. I don't support a hybrid approach to the HoL because I worry it would cause unnecessary tiering; are the elected Lords more supreme than the unelected? You may say no, and you may have no intention for such tiering to occur, but that doesn't mean that it won't. Messing with the HoL, or any constitutional principle, manually whilst also dealing with Brexit is very messy. "Wait until after Brexit then" I hear you say, except there's a possibility that Brexit is still being tweaked in twenty years, so that's going a tad further than putting it on the back burner.

May will win tonight, Corbyn will table a VONC shortly after which May will also inevitably win. She then delays the Brexit vote until January-March, which she will also win as rebel MPs fear a no deal scenario. We Brexit with May’s deal and she sees out her position until 2022. This hellworld has taught me that is the only possible outcome.

They don't say hindsight's 20/20 for nothing. They'll look back and realize they fucked up, and then everybody will tell them "we told you so".

Hey, if Corbyn does indeed bring forth a VONC, he has the support of the LibDems, Greens, SNP & Plaid Cymru (and apparently DUP because even they hate the Brexit deal). Assuming there are no rebel voters from any of these parties, they could conjure up 318 votes! That's not even counting any Tory rebels. Cross your fingers and keep your chin up so you don't have to look at the carnage occurring in front of you.

This is just such a fucking clown show.