7-year-old migrant girl taken into Border Patrol custody dies of dehydration, ex
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Are you going to acknowledge that the girl was in the facility for 8 hours? Are you going to acknowledge the other reports of human rights abuse? Are you going to acknowledge Stephen Miller's foray into white supremacy and the fact he is Trump's top immigration advisor?
Remember that there is zero tangible difference between people dying in camps of disease, dying of starvation/malnutrition or dehydration due to a lack of medical aid, and just putting them in chambers and gassing them. The end result is the same.
uh people you disagree with aren't all nazis!
In the words of the article: "Food and water are typically provided to migrants in Border Patrol custody, and it wasn’t immediately clear Thursday if the girl received provisions and a medical exam before the onset of seizures."
your failure to understand context is as clear as always so here's a tip
if she died of dehydration, she did not receive provisions. whoops!
if she was not checked on to ensure this wouldn't happen then these facilities, responsible (ideally) that people in them shouldn't be dying, are suffering from incompetence -- at best. but we know that's not why.
So, do I just copy and paste my last post or what
Uhm... how do you know "that's not why"? Considering she went into cramps 8 hours after arrival, I'm not convinced she would've even been able to take in water herself.
I'm gonna come up with a different scenario (since we actually don't know shit): Girl had been bad for a couple of days, the parents arrive late in the evening, and she's sleeping because she's very sick and tired. They let her sleep until she goes into cramps 8 hours later due to a high fever and dehydration. Medical services are called immediately. The girl sadly dies.
Obviously someone fucked up along the chain here, but the assumptions made in this thread are pretty stark - you're basically insinuating that the border patrol are evil enough to not provide water to a dying girl. Someone fucked up, and it might very well have been border patrol, but come on, let's wait for the facts here before we start calling people Nazis.
This is not to say that something doesn't appear to be seriously wrong with the US' treatment of illegal immigrants, but there's a world of difference between incompetence, incredible incompetence, maliciousness and being literally worse than Hitler.
I think it shows a severe misunderstanding of the current political climate and, hell, of people in general, to think that "good" people can't do "bad" things and vice versa. Swastika-flying Nazis are a problem, they are not the problem. By comparison, they don't come close to the suit-wearing (and noticeably swastika-free) politicians who deem minorities ineligible to vote, who pass stop-and-frisk legislation and frame black footballers as treasonous for daring to harmlessly protest for a just cause.
Go up to Jeff Sessions (please don't actually go up to Jeff Sessions) and show him a video of a Hitler speech, he'll disavow it instantly. But give him a resume that starts with the name Laqueesha and I would not expect much in the way of consideration. Racism doesn't always come in a trademarked racist package, and that's why it's able to convince people, for fucks sake
The hypothetical is garbage considering the agents would have known it take days to travel the desert, so the #1 health issue would he dehydration/heat stroke.
A much more accurate hypothetical would be sick girl hasnt drank water for days, parents notice but let her sleep it off, she goes into stroke and dies. This case the parents would be jailed for neglect due to obvious signs of an issue. Not to mention if the girl was that close to total dehydration, theres signs to the untrained eye that something is amiss, such as extremely high body temp with no sweat, confusion, fainting, or sunken eyes. Again, border patrol agents are in this habitat and fully know the signs. This is pure neglect that will get swept under the rug as an accident.
Anything "nice" they do, is done so you can't call it genocide. You can typically find the thesis of a post in the first few sentences. Human garbage.
Want to make it a point that you'd really like to starve to death? You get the tube.
They say that people in county get better medical care for their Hep C than people on the outside. All throwing a bottle of water at an inmate is, is an excuse not to call the systematic destruction of your people "genocide." That's the reason why inmates get good medical care, get dental care even. Throwing a bottle of water at a person and asking if they are cold enough not to die is a good way to avoid being accused of doing a blood sacrifice in a post-holocaust world.
That's what I call it btw. A blood sacrifice. During the Peloponnesian War it was common practice for Athens to massacre women and children so that the enemy wouldn't be able to continue to wage war in the coming decades. Hitler did it, Stalin did it, and now The US is doing it with their prison system. It's a journalist-friendly blood sacrifice.
"your hypothetical is garbage but here's the same hypothetical"
You literally just wrote a repeat of the first scenario I posted.
I don't know if you noticed the "obviously someone fucked up along the chain here", either, but I'm not disputing that a good amount of neglect might be at play here. You'll also notice that on the first page I asked if there is a mandatory health check and if so, when that occurs.
It's incredibly easy to argue why they should've noticed this, because we literally know nothing about what went down, and obviously everyone wants that young girl to have survived. Usually tragedies don't come down to one person just deciding to be an incompetent asshole that day, but compounding errors. I'll also say that recognising "confusion and fainting" in a 7-year old girl who might appear to be asleep could be difficult, and sunken eyes and a high body temperature isn't necessarily easy to spot when looking at a crowd of people. We don't know how closely people were examined by personnel, or if the parents tried to get their attention before she went into cramps.
How is it the same, parents aren't around heatstroke victims as part of their jobs every day like agents are. Its not a hypothetical if agents dont know signs of heat related illnesses, its part of their job to spot it when they detain.
Dude don't even pretend like you actually give a fuck about this girl, or any impoverished migrant who's desperate enough to risk death in order to escape violence and maybe have a chance at a better life in another country. There are credible allegations of ICE violating anti-slavery laws by making detainees do forced labor. There are numerous other reports of abuses, lack of transparency, and children getting lost in the system. We don't even know exactly how many children are missing or dead under their watch. All you do is play defense for this unbelievably cruel, far-right immigration policy that is transparently racist and somehow the biggest issue for you is someone being slightly hyperbolic in describing these horrendous conditions against mostly poor Central Americans, of which you have absolutely nothing to say about. I think that says enough.
It's too late, @Sgman91 is just going to run away from the thread after being proven wrong and start this shit somewhere else.
My scenario hinges on them not noticing when detaining, perhaps because of a massive amount of people to keep an eye on, and too few resources to look through them properly. Either way, it seems like her vitals were alright when she came in, as per the quote.
And do you mean hypovolemic shock or are you talking about some kind of more esoteric mechanism? I don't doubt that dehydration would add to the severity of septic shock, but that's not really the same.
Lol, yes, because posting in a thread about the topic of the thread tells you all that. Honestly, you're just spewing garbage that you've roiled up in your own head to feel like a great moral crusader. I'm sure the migrant children appreciate all the good you've done for them. As for me, I'll keep volunteering to take food down to Mexican orphanages. Hopefully they never find out I'm a secret racict who doesn't care about brown people.
Lol, yes, because claiming you volunteer to take food down to Mexican orphanages makes you right. Honestly, you’re just spewing semantic garbage that you’ve roiled up in your own head to feel like a great centrist crusader.
See, I can do that too.
You know this administration you're defending is creating more orphans, right? I have no idea if you're actually a racist or not (though given your defense is "I'm not racist because I help Mexican orphans" makes me wonder). What I do know is you support cruel, racist policy and a cruel, racist administration. Given that you completely sidestepped every other substantive thing I said I'm forced to make my own conclusions. If volunteering for the kids whose parents have died in part due to the US immigration policy you support is your way of coping, that's pretty depressing.
fpfpfahaHAHAAHAHA like anything will happen as a result of this, we're already getting a government shutdown because the taxpayers don't want to pay for the wall mexico is paying for
I sincerely doubt this.
ah, the usual "I worked at a Holocaust Museum" Tudd defense.
It's strangely surreal to see someone actively deny the holocaust and try to justify the logic behind it. I know that denying reality is second nature to these folks but there's something about holocaust denial in particular that makes so baffling.
On the note of your conclusion, I think it's important to remember that slavery was a thing, but I think we should not really dwell on it. Constantly bringing it back up just reignites old animosities. Slavery was a terrible thing, but if we keep being haunted by it race relations will never improve.
Weren't you just chastising the entirety of Facepunch for being selectively blind? Why aren't you addressing anything?
Sorry he's off to shit up the next thread and pretend this never happened.
I didn't say it made me right? He said I didn't care, but my life speaks volumes to the opposite. I would be willing to bet real money that I've done more to help poor minorities than any of you in real life. So for someone to come along and tell me how little I care just rings totally hollow. It's an angry internet nerd yelling into the abyss, pretending to know someone who they've never met.
I haven't defended anything, and I've clearly spoken against many facets of our immigration system in the past. For example, I don't like the separation of families, I think the length of time/monetary cost of legal immigration is ridiculous, I think the wall is a joke of an idea, etc.
When I said that you're just spewing garbage, this is exactly the kind of crap I was talking about.
I know it's hard to imagine that this evil racist right-wing guy actually helps people in the real world, but in reality, yes, I go almost monthly with a charity to Mexico delivering food to over 100 orphanages, many of which care for disabled children. We take thousands and thousands of pounds of food. Every single person is an unpaid volunteer. If I wasn't afraid of actual harassment from some crazy on the internet, I would post a picture.
I'm not going to be pulled into a wild goose chase discussion of the entire immigration policy. I've responded to responses relevant to the topic.
Damn, give me a day at least. I've been busy.
No you haven't, at best you responded with how you totally go to Mexico to help orphanages as if that absolves you of supporting the people who allow this shit to happen. You completely ignore the points that destroy your arguments.
Like the one where people called you out after you implied that the girl dying was the Mexican'ts fault and not the people who dumped her in some cage and left her to die.
There's literally zero evidence of that.
A girl died on dehydration while in ICE custody for 8 hours.
What exactly counts as evidence to you?
How infantile and rude. Avoiding the most salient points of the discussion because it isn't convenient at this time is bad enough on its own, but this pretense that I am the unreasonable one here for asking questions is just insulting. Have it your way, how dare I bring context into the conversation. To think I'd be worthy of your precious time, oh no
There's a reason why you don't get an ounce of respect from anyone on this site mate, and it ain't our political bias. Aside from all the dishonesty and hypocrisy, this whole thing about patting yourself in the back for charity, and pretending it offsets your enabling of human rights abuse for thousands. God, what an incredibly predictable picture this paints of the short-sightedness of American conservatism
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