Pennsylvania GOP implosion could make a Trump reelection impossible
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"Could make it impossible"
Son, it was impossible to begin with
Literally what everyone said the first time
then he won
woops
The establishment is the current status quo Democrats who promise nothing but a return to 2015's politics with slight tweaks around the edges, which weren't exactly stellar (they're the reason we have Trump). I would like to hear why you think Sanders is bad and the other picks are better, in terms of actual policy ideas.
How can you shift this on democrats though? 2011-2014 republicans controlled the house, 2015 and afterwards they got the senate. When democrats had the house it was the most productive congress had been, doing things like
The Glass Steagall Act
The Affordable Care Act
Repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell
Tax Cuts for Middle Class and Lower Class (Not for the rich or corporations)
A stimulus package that stopped the economy from completely shitting itself
Extra unemployment benefits for jobless people
A piece of legislation addressing Food Safety
Reducing penalties and minimum sentances for Crack Cocaine
Gave FDA power over regulating Tobacco
Defense Contracting Reform to save money
Mitchy pledged to filibuster almost everything the democrats introduced, yet these managed to pass. Stuff like the DREAM Act and an Equality Act couldn't pass either because republicans or the democrats were just too fucking busy with the former things, those former things not being """identity politics""" that people love to buzzword shit but actual consequential things on every American.
After 2011, the Tea Party with Koch Funding had swept republicans through elections, including a Massachusetts special election they shouldn't have won. Ted Kennedy was a critical vote for Obamacare in the Senate, and he had died and been replaced by Scott Brown. He was a huge advocate for Universal Healthcare and would've voted for the house bill as-is, unlike Joe Lieberman, who only flipped if they killed the public option, which likely would've given us better and cheaper healthcare alternatives to insurance companies. They also had dozens of hearings on the bill which is why it took so long to pass, unlike republican controlled congress today that does back-door deals and gives congresspeople 24 hours notice to read hundreds of pages.
Why did republicans do so well when congress was doing things you probably want it to do! (Regulating big banks, expanding healthcare, minority rights, more money in regular people's pockets)
2015 politics only had democrats in the white house, holding no majority in either chamber of congress. You think democrats want that "status-quo" or whatever? That they won't do anything at all to move things forward after they were consistently denied the ability to by Republicans in congress? You're pulling this out of your ass dude. You're basing this perception off of a congress that shit on Obama at every turn that was republican controlled and not a democratic congress that actually fucking did things. If you think Democrats want a return to 2015, you're literally delusional and fabricating some fucking bogeyman "establishment" that doesn't exist.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/us/politics/23cong.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/22/AR2010122205620.html?noredirect=on
Nate Silver: Forecasts Showing Clinton With 99% Chance of Winning ...
This is hilarious because the full headline is "Nate Silver: Forecasts Showing Clinton With 99% Chance of Winning 'Don't Pass Common-Sense Test'"
I put it on the Democrats because the Democrats are weak as fuck and they don't represent their voter base. Everything you just laid out is straight out of the Democratic playbook- play defense for a bunch of half-measures and promise nothing but more half-measures. Let's run through them.
Glass Steagall Act
I don't know what you're talking about here. Glass Steagall was an important banking regulation repealed by Bill Clinton, exactly what Democrats SHOULDN'T be doing. Do you mean Dodd-Frank? Because DF was kids' gloves banking regulation to begin with and it's been gutted a thousand different ways since it's introduction. Look at all the Democrats this year who voted to deregulate Wall Street.
Affordable Care Act
A step in the right direction. It covered more people, protected pre-existing conditions, and lowered premiums- but it was a right-wing healthcare plan from the start. Obama immediately caved to the Republicans, didn't even try to fight for a single-payer system when he had a supermajority, then immediately caved to Lieberman and the blue dog Democrats who protested the public option. Why am I supposed to give Obama more credit than he deserves when he didn't even try to twist arms to get the votes he needed? Sorry, but that's not how you play politics. You need to actually make your fucking case, and he didn't.
Repealing DADT
Yes, Democrats don't hate the gays. Gold star. Now help them get healthcare and a decent job.
Everything else you list I have no problem with. They're fine policies.
Why did republicans do so well when congress was doing things you probably want it to do! (Regulating big banks, expanding healthcare, minority rights, more money in regular people's pockets)
Because they didn't go far enough. Why do you think Republicans won if the Democrats were doing so great? Everything you listed they slapped band-aids on instead of addressing the root problem. Yes, it was better than nothing, but Obama promised real actual change and he didn't deliver. That's why people turned their backs on the Democrats.
2015 politics only had democrats in the white house, holding no majority in either chamber of congress. You think democrats want that "status-quo" or whatever? That they won't do anything at all to move things forward after they were consistently denied the ability to by Republicans in congress? You're pulling this out of your ass dude. You're basing this perception off of a congress that shit on Obama at every turn that was republican controlled and not a democratic congress that actually fucking did things. If you think Democrats want a return to 2015, you're literally delusional and fabricating some fucking bogeyman "establishment" that doesn't exist.
What exactly are they promising to move forward on, dude? Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, the leaders of the Democratic Party, don't support Medicare for all when 80% of the fucking base and 70% of the country DOES. They're promising "universal access" which keeps the same rapacious health insurance scams sick and dying people. How the fuck is that real leadership? And seriously, spare me the whole "big bad Republican congress was stonewalling Obama." Obama met the Republicans halfway all the fucking time, on his own volition, because at his ideological heart he is an actual centrist, and not the populist that he campaigned as. Again, if Democrats were actually getting shit done in his first term, why did they get fucking wiped out over the next decade?
If there's one thing Democrats can actually learn from the Republicans, it's how to fight and strategize. Republicans will actually send out memos and all get together in a room to get on the same page. The Democrats don't do this. When do you ever see the Democrats actually taking a stand and fighting for something as a whole, cohesive party? Establishment Democrats want a safe, comfortable status quo where they can do okay things now and then while continuing to screw over regular people and getting paid big money in campaign donations. If you don't see how a good chunk of the party represents center-right corporate interests over the interests of working-class people, you're fucking blind.
It seems like people are unwilling to predict that Trump might not have it so easy next election just because of 2016.
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