These fuckwads are being way more active as of late. The closing deadline of Brexit probably ain't helping either.
I don't think publicly debating extremists is fruitful either, but I'm curious what your solution would be.
Wouldn't surprise me if James Goddard's fucking payrolled by Russia similar to Le Pen.
Get outa here with this nonsense, please.
You need to know the cultural climate here in the UK, the amount of racists that exist here are here regardless of Russia, this guy is just another mad lad without 2 cells between his ears looking for a scrap with the boys in blue to feel important, how he became the leader of the group is far beyond me, but there he is and nobody in the UK is surprised with how he is acting, this is just British hooliganism 101.
wouldn't call it nonsense considering Russia has been known to fund far-right groups throughout most of Europe and in the US.
Russia has been known to fund further right political parties. So has America, so has the UK.
In fact, it's pretty impossible to get anywhere in politics without shaking hands with a demon or two, or so it would seem. I'm not saying that isn't the case. What I am saying is that there is plenty, PLENTY off our own shit going on that would make any outside influence negligible. We have a huge far right anti Muslim - anti immigration sentiment growing in the UK that Russia has nothing to do with, it's taking away from the conversation that needs to be had.
Most of the people who supported Brexit were connected with Russian politicians. When Nigel Farage finally rammed it through he bowed the fuck out and got to mainland Europe ASAP. Brexit reeks of
bullshit and relies and preys on the fears of most who are afraid for their livelihood. Russia's realpolitik is also to isolate Britain which goes hand in hand with Brexit itself.
You would be very hard pressed in the entire continent of Europe to find a political party that does not negotiate with Russia on a regular basis. Where do you think the EU gets all it's gas from?
Not saying Russia doesn't fuck with our shit as much as we fuck with theirs, and we do. All I'm saying is this go-to red fever on Facepunch whenever our countrymen do something embaressing to our democratic standards isn't helping the conversation at all and we need to start taking some national responsibility for our citizens actions.
What you don't seem to understand also is, people like James Goddard here are ultra-patriots in their own mind, Britain for the British and all that, while that might be an easy target for influence (and of course, it is), the results Russia can get from someone like James are tiny, namely because nobody gives a flying fuck about the yellow vest movement in the UK and everybody but social media journalists are just getting on with their day as normal.
Facebook and PayPal accounts used to organise “yellow vest” protests that have seen MPs verbally abused in Westminster have been deleted. His PayPal account was disabled a short time later on Tuesday afternoon.
A spokesperson for Facebook said: “We have removed James Goddard’s Facebook pages and groups for violating our policies on hate speech. We will not tolerate hate speech on Facebook which creates an environment of intimidation and which may provoke real-world violence.”
Writing on Twitter, where his account remained live at the time of publication, Mr Goddard claimed Facebook had “silenced” him. He posted a link to his PayPal page asking for donations from supporters to fund further “yellow vest” protests, but the account was disabled minutes later.
Some people weren't dropped on their head as a child but should be dropped on their head as a fuckin adult
Better make sure I take a snapchat of myself calling a policeman a nonce
Not really, considering this is a political movement with just about 0 funding and I was speaking about political parties, I'm not parting blame on anyone, only saying that it's extremely common for large superpowers to influence the elections of other rival nations and has been like that since 2 rival civilizations sat on the earth.
Now for citations, which you know I'm always happy to provide.
>“We’ve been doing this kind of thing since the C.I.A. was created in 1947,” said Mr. Johnson, now at the University of Georgia. “We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers. We’ve used what the British call ‘King George’s cavalry’: suitcases of cash.”
The United States’ departure from democratic ideals sometimes went much further. The C.I.A. helped overthrow elected leaders in Iran and Guatemala in the 1950s and backed violent coups in several other countries in the 1960s. It plotted assassinations and supported brutal anti-Communist governments in Latin America, Africa and Asia.
A 2016 study by Dov Levin found that, among 938 global elections examined,[a] the United States and Russia[b] combined had involved themselves in about one out of nine (117), with the majority of those (68%) being through covert, rather than overt, actions. The same study found that "on average, an electoral intervention in favor of one side contesting the election will increase its vote share by about 3 percent," an effect large enough to have potentially changed the results in seven out of 14 U.S. presidential elections occurring after 1960.[c][d] According to the study, the U.S. intervened in 81 foreign elections between 1946 and 2000, while the Soviet Union or Russia intervened in 36.
Happy to do the UK too if you wish of course, our foreign intelligence service is arguably the best in the world and essentially wrote the book.
It's explicitly whataboutism. Here is the definition, per Wikipedia;
Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument...which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda...When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.
The original argument was that James Goddard was on the payroll of Russia, which you categorically waved away as "nonsense". Which, fair enough, you are entitled to do with claims that have no evidence but when someone points out that Russia has a history of funding far-right groups in the west you say "The west does it too". You've done nothing to refute or disprove the argument, simply shifted the focus to the west away from Russia.
My original argument hasn't changed at all, I'm still very much saying it is very unlikely that Russia touched James Goddard at all because there really isn't any need to, there is enough fighting going on at home over issues of globalism that raising your head and pointing at Russia was just kinda strange. To think that these things couldn't perpetuate on their own domestically with everything we already know about the social climate in Europe.
My reasoning for speaking about the west doing it as well is simply to humble some of the users on here, who think that the sun shines out of the wests ass and are foaming at the mouth when Russia does anything to interfere. As we can see by Strawberryclocks post, who actually needed citation to believe for himself that the US and UK do the same thing on a regular basis. There are alot of people like that on here, I don't mean to sound red pilly, but alot of people are incredibly ignorant on how politics works and get emotionally involved in the headlines that come out when rival countries butt heads, which is dangerous because it's how nationalistic movements start, and judging by how this forum has been speaking to Karimatrix when he puts input in, it's getting pretty excessive and I'm actually really disappointed in the mods for allowing it to happen. We have Russian posters on here and every time they try to argue they get called everything under the sun.
It needs to stop, and return to an academic level. @Hezzy ( Sorry Hezzy, but that last part I think is a little important)
Friendly reminder that yellow vests contain alot of leftists and climate activists as well.
Not at all in the UK as far as I've seen, it's entirely a far right thing
Well in france there is for sure.
The Yellow Vest movement in the UK has absolutely nothing to do with France, in fact, I would be very careful in comparing them at all. The French version is more about Economics than it is about immigration, the UK is almost entirely about immigration.
You can tell the french version because you can here "Allah Ackbar" screamed every 2 seconds when they are setting cars on fire.
It's not "kinda strange" when it would be part of an established pattern. Again, pointing out that there is no evidence of the original claim is fine. What's not fine is casting the claim as part of some sort of unreasonable "fever" and when pushed on it suddenly go on an off topic tangent about other countries. It's a fair point to make that Russian interference is only half of the problem, what's not fair is to essentially tell people to ignore it because "everyone does it". Stop defending them.
This is just a huge misread of the people of FP. You are probably just guessing because you can't see us little people from the moral and academic high ground you currently occupy but there are very, very few nationalists on FP. Criticism of Russia comes much less from nationalist sentiment and much more from your typical center-left liberal FPer who has seen Russia try its best to turn their country into shitholes.
I'm not going to sling mud at specific users other than to say that maybe it has less to do with them being Russian and more to do with them making purposefully antagonistic posts. FP isn't a hugbox. If someone flames someone else they will get banned. No ones going to get banned for calling out the disingenuous shilling of one nation invading and annexing a part of another.
Fair point, but I must insist I'm not defending Russia, I've spent time in the Baltic nations and have sat and listened to the effects of their rule and their influence from people that actually lived it. What I have always combated on this forum, is go-to finger pointing that isn't founded on evidence. You may remember I casted doubt on the Scripol poisoning in the UK, saying that it might well be a disinformation tactic to impose sanctions on Russia, all the while saying that it is still very likely Russia was the culprit. I immediately held my hands up and even posted the thread with the evidence that it was actually those 2 agents.
I do and always will combat political call outs with no evidence other than anecdotal, it's not popular here but it won't be changing any time soon.
Absolute fucking tripe. There is not a single shred of evidence about this "allahu akbar" shit you're talking about, bold face lie. You should be fucking ashamed.
happens when you're a Truther.
Source or please leave Polidicks forever or delete your account.
Yeah no, you can keep that garbage for yourself. Don't post if it's to spew lies like this.
The way Resonant phrased it, it gave me the impression that he was saying the US/UK were CURRENTLY in the process of meddling in elections. It's a bit of a meme at this point how the US has up to very recently been putting dictators in power because it was convenient to them. They shouldn't have done it and we should do everything in our power to stop from doing it again but Russia is LITERALLY DOING IT RIGHT NOW and has been for the past few years. I think there's a clear priority towards thwarting Russia's strategy.
The Daily Mail's redemption arc continues (TLDR they switched editor to someone a bit less mental)
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