Theresa May suffers Commons defeat over no deal Brexit
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This is the first strike from a growing parliamentary insurgency of MPs moving to block a no deal Brexit
And to right. The incumbent party shouldn't be able to press on desperately to achieve brexit. Why this motion wasn't in in the first place reeks of the goverment trying to retain any semblance of power it may have.
You can shove off with your posturing on no deal may.
So what comes next?
Act two is taking place today: backbenchers from both Labour and the Tories are joining forces to table an amendment which would force Theresa May to come back to parliament and present a new plan within 3 days if her deal is voted down. This would prevent her from running down the clock and just letting us drop out with no deal.
The Speaker is going to decide whether that amendment goes to a vote - if it doesn't, word on the street is that the backbenchers will instead vote down the government's business motion on the Brexit deal debate, which would mean parliament 'taking back control of Brexit', Theresa May would lose control over the scheduling of the debate and vote
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I voted to leave but I'd support a second referendum to finalise it by the same means which created this situation. However, remain would have to win, if it did. by a significant margin, because if it won by any margin like 52%, it could easily be disregarded along the same lines that remainers have been arguing against the last referendum (the fact that a second referendum had taken place would ironically undermine its own results). If the referendum was on the type of deal, that would be different.
The idea of continuing to put faith in the decision making of the general public is the reason we're in this mess in the first place. No sane democracy makes huge nation changing decisions off the backs of referendums, brexit will only benefit a tiny minority and won public support through misinformation and deception, its the stupidest decision this country has made in decades and should be held up for future generations as an example in why you don't present massive international policy decisions to a mostly uneducated and bigoted public.
Backbenchers Rise Up 2 confirmed
This is the amendment mentioned in my previous post, which would force May to present plan B within 3 days of her deal being voted down
Except Ireland, we've been doing it for decades with few issues because we have systems set up for informing the people of the terms of the referendums in non-biased with clear rules for the conduct of the political parties and the outcome of the referendums.
Britain fucked it by handing the decision to a society not accustomed to making decisions like this, had no non-biased source of information for those people, and didn't adequately enforce the rules of conduct for the political parties.
Just because y'all motherfuckers that the bed doesn't mean it can't be done.
Act two is now complete: May is now required to present plan B to parliament by the end of next week, presuming her deal dies on Tuesday
Crash and burn and give everyone more reason to either delay Article 50 and run a second referendum.
I like how we assume she has a plan B when it took years to make plan A and it's weak as piss.
Plan B is no deal. That's it.
Whatever she does present, parliament will be able to amend it. So it looks like we're getting very close now to a point where parliament will finally have to decide what it actually wants to do. These two defeats for the government indicate that there is a majority against no deal, but they'll have to unify around a specific path in order to prevent it.
I feel like a 2nd referendum is certain. Labour want a Brexit that meets their criteria, when this ultimately inevitably fails they said they will go for Ref2. This is assuming they get their election, if they don't they will go straight for Ref2 anyway.
I just hope we are ready as a country for it.
This whole thing feels like some TV show Yu-Gi-Oh match, with how incomprehensible and complicated it seems.
brexit is just a political retelling of akagi where it needs two characters who are there purely to narrate what the fuck akagi is doing, except even they don't know what the fuck akagi is doing
Lemmie simulate the bits of the bbc news comments section on these sorts of stories I read during my lunch-break today .
"WE VOTED LEAVE SO JUST LEAVE!"
"WTO IS THE BEST DEAL HARD BREXIT NOW WTO!"
"WE HAD A PEOPLES VOTE IN 2016 AND IT WAS TO LEAVE!"
"NOW THAT THE DEAL IS OFF THE ONLY CHOICE LEFT IS WTO AND NOTHING ELSE BUT WTO!"
"WTO IS BEST FOR BRITAIN!"
"FACE IT REMONERS! YOU LOST AND ITS GONNA BE WTO!"
"EU IS HOLDING US HOSTAGE!"
"EU IS AN UNDEMOCRATIC DICTATORSHIP!"
"WE DON'T NEED A DEAL! WE DON'T NEED TO PAY THE EU ANYTHING, JUST WTO!"
"WHY TO WE HAVE REMAINER THERESA MAY AS PM?"
"WE NEED A LEADER WHO BELIEVES IN BREXIT!"
"PARLIAMENT ARE ALL CLOSET REMAINERS WHO DEFY THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!"
"OVER 400 CONSTITUENCIES VOTED LEAVE COMPARED TO 100 REMAIN! CLEAR WINNER! WELL OVER %50 VOTED TO LEAVE!"
I didn't even know there was a Plan A!!
It's kind of heart-warming to see a degree of cooperation between our nation's political parties on such an unprecedented scale. Makes a nice contrast to the current divide in the US.
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