• Police reinforcements for Northern Ireland in case of no-deal Brexit
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/03/police-reinforcements-for-northern-ireland-in-case-of-no-deal-brexit-1000-officers-training-trouble-hard-border
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Surely this should be an indication that maybe Brexit isn't a good idea, rather than as a reason to bolster security?
Can we expect a united Ireland and an independent Scotland by the end of the decade if there is a hard Brexit?
I'd still say an Ireland reunification is a few decades off at least. There's still a lot of shit here so it would just lead to violence, no matter the outcome. Need to wait for the baby boomer generation to die off atleast, probably even the millennials too to get rid of a lot of the troubles related issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQBW6UQa8Fc
This brave RUC man came marching up our street 600 British soldiers he had lined up at his feet "Come on out you cowards, come on out and fight" He cried "I'm only joking" when he heard me Armalite. Imagine being so overflowing with delusions of grandeur that you'd restart a war within your own territory just because some racist drunkard wanted to insult the Belgians.
People who unironically hype up IRA slogans and songs are delusional as fuck, nobody wants another Troubles.
I don't know about that, Theresa May seems to be doing everything in her power to make another Troubles happen. Some would say that at least implies she wants it to happen. But generally I do agree with you and I don't support the IRA, I just make reference to them to poke fun at the fact that the British Empire is doing everything in its power to bring about its own end, it's almost like Brexit was funded and organized by the UK's primary enemy of the last 70 years.
That's not true though. There is someone who wants another Troubles. Someone who benefits from creating chaos in foreign nations so that they're paralyzed or distracted by interior strife, thus making it easier for them to enact an agenda that would otherwise meet stiffer resistance if the nation's in the best positions to resist them weren't distracted and divided amongst themselves. It's the sort of tactic a former spymaster would use. Can you guess whom that might be?
Most of them are either: Millenial Sinn Feinn radicals who don't know shit or Tankies
I was rather surprised that young Irish people buy into the IRA today. There is a lot of Irish students where I live and at least some of those I have talked to have incredibly radical ideas. Power of propaganda and all that I guess.
It's odd. We're incredibly progressive in some areas, but a few of them tend to have radical ideas. Take a look at /r/ Ireland, which is anglophobia combined with clueless people who can't use the internet.
Yeah, it's really strange. I understand that Ireland was fucked hard by the UK government a few decades ago but the absolute mental gymnastics some of these people have is insane. The fact that some young people latch onto Ireland's treatment, while it is important to recognize, and use it as an excuse to spew hatred at modern day individual British people that had nothing to do with it is really quite spectacular. I'm 1/4 Irish myself but apparently that 1/4 British in me also means I'm responsible by association for the Famine according to some conversations I've had. Of course most people are level headed and chill but I'm amazed that it's younger folk who are coming up with this stuff.
I don't know if this was adressed to me, but I just wanted to clarify that the song I posted is anything but pro IRA.
Wasn't a big part of the problem the fact that NI's population itself was divided? It wasn't just because Britain decided to split them, the urban population was pro-British too since they brought industrialization that grew their cities and economy, the rural population as well as the rest of Ireland were less enthralled by this because they saw none of these benefits and their country being sliced up.
I think it could be attributed to not really knowing what the IRA is
No it's not but it's just a general thing that seems to happen whenever a united Ireland is talked about.
Is a second Troubles a serious threat? I don't know anything about Ireland but I would imagine there are very few, Ulster or Republican, who would actually want to go through another war.
Troubles 2 Brexit Boogaloo would be very sad since it's only 20 years since the Good Friday Agreement.
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NI was initially cut up in such a way that it had a British majority, it's why places in the north of Ireland such as Donegal weren't included, too many Catholics. The reason for the amount of unionists in Ulster goes back to the plantation but they forced a lot of Irish out during that, essentially taking the better farm land. NI is a really complicated issue but it was essentially a sectarian state created to have a white protestant/unionist majority. That's been slowly descreasing over the years which has caused increased tensions as they fear that their way of life/culture is being eroded and the increasing moderate/republican population is making reunification more likely. 2 years ago was the first time in NI history where the government wasn't a majority unionist electorate and they lost their shit over it.
Problem isn't that republicans and unionists want to fight necessarily, more that extreme circumstances such as the good friday agreement being contradicted gives excuses to the old organisations for their attacks - all about justification, the only relatively recent Irish terrorism is by fringe groups like the "real/new IRA" which only have about 150ish members. If there is doubt about the peace these organisations are bound to flare up again.
I on and off speak to my friends from Ireland who tell me they really don't want Northern Ireland purely because it would be an absolute economy tank. N. Ireland is a fucked by service industry with nothing else going for it so I've been informed. It's massively propped up by the UK with loads of money. If Ireland got the north I'm sure that would be great for the few resident 'up da 'ra byz' tramps here but also suddenly they have to spend years fixing a massive part of the country economically nuked. If N. Ireland voted to join Ireland then I think they are constitutionally forced to take them in, no matter what. What you should be asking is if the UK would threaten to give N. Ireland back to the republic, not if they would hold a referendum.
i thought putin had a desk job at the kgb and wasnt some james bond villain though
He wasn't one, but he really wanted to be one is the trouble (and remains the trouble). https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/133737/4e64922f-4476-44ab-b017-e469d4d84cf8/image.png But yeah, he landed behind a desk after graduating from effectively 'spy school' and pushed papers. That said, while he didn't become a field agent he did throw himself a bit into learning the craft of the non-field work parts of espionage. His specialty as far as we can tell was counter-espionage and monitoring foreign nations and foreigners comings-and-goings and communications. It's suspected he worked later for the KGB's Fifth Directorate, whose job it was to crush political dissidents. Then the Spy Master stuff came as he finally got field work in Germany and, under the guise of a translator, tried to recruit East German Communist Party and Stasi Officials, steal tech, compromise visiting Westerners. During this time he began to question the direction of the USSR. He was present still in the KGB when the USSR crumbled - which further shaped his idea that the USSR was a weak idea and what the country needed was a strong man. During a hard-line coup with Gorbachev, he quit the KGB, became a member of Yeltsin's administration after they forced Gorbachev out, and then was appointed to lead the FSB -- which is why he deserves the title of Former Spymaster, as that's exactly who he was. When Yeltsin resigned in '99 under a cloud of corruption, Putin took power and pardoned Yeltsin for any possible corruption. Finally, he was democratically elected in 2000 and, since, has more or less either been the President or has ruled the country through a puppet President when he's bored of wearing the title. He is as close to a modern James Bond villain as we're likely to get in a more fact and reality based world. Meanwhile, Trump is likely as close as we're ever going to get to a literal DC Comics Supervillain running the country.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1083365269702144000?s=09 This would be the biggest Commons defeat ever
I may be wrong but I've always been under the impression that the Good Friday agreement requires both Ireland and N Ireland to vote to merge in a referendum.
What I recall is if N. Ireland held a ref to rejoin Ireland then the Republic is constitutionally required to accept the north into the country.
Nah, Catfodder is right. It requires 2 independent referendums for reunification to happen. ROI would 100% vote to reunite though by a large magin so their referendum is more of a formality.
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