Trump Storms Out of White House Meeting with Democrats on Shutdown
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I mean, I have the internet, I am literally on it right now, I can just google the meaning of words lol. You said "It's a negotiating tactic, your opinion of it is likely to reveal your political leaning", like I said, this can correctly be assumed to mean that the tactic itself, and not its use by Trump, reveals a person's opinions. It's how I misunderstood it and why I dumbed it, that's all.
You're being condescending when he's asking you to elaborate on how you came to that conclusion and instead you talked downed to him and defined a somewhat common word.
I don't even care what you're saying, nor am I at all referring to it. Complaining like that isn't making your position look stronger.
PERSONALLY THOUGH Maybe in his head he's using it as a negotiating tactic, but he's demonstrated a really poor sense. He already declined very good deals outright. Walking away works in direct TRADE but in this context it just looks childish and stupid.
He said I was being pretentious... how else was I supposed to take it? He didn’t ask how I came to my conclusion, he said I was being pretentious and people usually say that when they don’t understand wording, not when they want clarification.
Buh we cool man, I see that way of looking at it now.
I said it sounded pretentious without the elaboration that I was asking for. How else are you supposed to take it? Well, you can be sassy, without getting to the point where you assume I am too much of a retard to know what a basic word like "paradigm" means, which imo is way more insulting
Imagine if Trump automatically got whatever he wanted by pulling a shutdown
he'd just leave it shutdown
Yeah see I read ruski's point as:
The crux of the argument is about valuing self over valuing humanity, and how this bleeds into getting what you want.
If you valued self over humanity 100%, you'd agree that no compromise no matter what and forcing the country to bleed dry until you get exactly what you want is "good negotiation".
If you valued humanity over self 100%, you wouldn't be using a government shutdown as leverage for your deal in the first place at the sake of not being able to "push" your ideas.
I think it's an interesting metric to figure out political leanings considering how warped left/right has gotten these days.
I think it also reads a little into what people mean when they say "Family Values".
tho m8, someone being pretentious is about presuming people's intelligence as below their own, if your first reaction to being called pretentious is presuming they don't know what your words mean then yeah you're sorta being pretentious. "People usually" are smarter than anyone gives credit for.
https://i.imgur.com/uoYuhsu.png
God I nearly died happy thinking Trump quit the presidency like it was a job at Burger King's
Trump is not in a position to make demands. The shutdown is his fault, that's how the public sees it, and so the longer it goes on the worse it gets for Trump. But he's also in a no-win situation because the moment he folds, his die-hards know that there will never ever be a wall under Trump.
If Trump cannot get the wall while holding the government hostage, then he just can't get the wall. In fact, not only can he not get the wall, he can't even get a bootleg version of what the original vision for a wall was. Trump supporters make excuses but in their heart they know they really only want one thing; a 10-20 foot concrete wall extending across the entirety of the border. That's what they envision, and it's never going to happen. A limited form of it can't even happen. And the moment Trump acknowledges that is the moment that he loses in the eyes of the country and his supporters.
He fucked himself over by allowing a shutdown to happen, arguably. He'll never get the wall, but at least he could put a stronger effort on making it sound like the wall is 'still coming' if he avoided a shutdown, never having such a decisive failure.
It's a good indicator how a "greater good" decision making philosophy just isn't applicable to almost anything except for rare circumstances. This is really only an indicator for how authoritarian vs libertarian someone is, and considering current trend, I don't think Trump made the 3D chess move he thinks he does.
Can we PLEASE impeach this guy already
is there way to just say "we're continuing the government without you?"
Seems kind of ridiculous he can just decide this and the rest of the country has no say.
The Senate could pass the Continuing Resolution they passed before the shutdown (the one Trump abruptly decided to refuse to sign and as a result triggered the shutdown), which McConnell now says there aren't enough votes for, and dare the President to carry out his threat to veto the bill.
And then McConnell could work with Senate Democrats to organize a bipartisan veto override to force Trump to sign the bill and end the shutdown without wall funding. But McConnell won't and says the Senate wouldn't have enough votes to pass it -- which is a convenient thing for the man in charge of deciding what the Senate gets to vote on to think.
However, even if Bitch BcConnell is going to be a little Mitch for Trump and prolong the shutdown, it's possible for the Senate to override him and force a vote for anything they want via a voice vote.
All of this, the Senate could do and are fully empowered and arguably duty-bound by their oaths of office to do, but Republican "leadership" had their spines surgically removed ages ago.
But the giant is stirring:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/shutdown-impasse-trump-heads-to-the-hill-after-oval-office-address/2019/01/09/27268008-13fe-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html
About a dozen more Republican Senators need to come on board to force McConnell to hold a vote on a bill, if I recall, and then when Trump inevitably vetos whatever the Senate does there'll need to be a veto override with roughly the same threshold, so the fight is far from over, but the Senate rebellion against McConnell and Trump has already begun.
Excuse me, this isn't Democracy 3.
Also the left isn't as violent as the right, not by a long shot and even Obama survived his two terms.
Trump needs to be jailed, not made into a martyr.
Forgive my ignorance, but when exactly would this guy get impeached? At this point half the world is watching, and everyone who does probably knows all too well what game he's playing and is just severely harming the country at this point.
He's already crossed lines that would have gotten any other president impeached.
Frankly, he will be impeached the moment he stops helping the Republican party push their agenda, so long as the dumb fuck continues to rubber stamp their awful policy, they will ensure he never faces repercussions for screwing around with the most important position in america.
From what I can tell by looking at his actions so far, I don't see him turning his back on the republican party any time soon, but I might be wrong hopefully. He doesn't even have the brain capacity to realize how many people he's hurting, and won't stop until somebody makes him.
When the GOP decides to grow a spine and do the right thing, or at least get worried enough about the potential consequences over the myriad benefits they get from keeping Tinyhands around
Here's what Trump had to say about walls:
https://i.imgur.com/imW2n9S.mp4
I don't think Trump is nearly this smart, but couldn't he pocket veto any spending bill that doesn't include The Wall™
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I've been seeing people on Facebook genuinely saying "Well the Dems aren't budging, so its their fault!" Seriously.
They got into the wall idea with Mexico paying for it, and now they're being told, to their face, "actually you'll pay for it," and they don't mind.
Hell, trying to build a wall is the one promise he's kept.
Can Trump's legacy be the coining of the phrase "Crybaby Politics"?
Pocket Vetos rely on congress not being in session. If congress is in session and he hasn't signed the bill in the 10 day period, the bill automatically passes into law.
deals based on BANKRUPTCY
HA HA HA HA
HELP
(wait, that reminds me, so many business of his went bankrupt, why did anyone think he would be a good candidate to run a COUNTRY? oh wait, right...)
