'Bolsonaro is Hitler!' Venezuela's Maduro exclaims amid Brazil spat - Polidicks

I wonder if strong personal opinions about society mayhaps't be of some relevance to the man most equipped to affect said society. 🤔

You cared up until now. You run off with your tail between your legs because you know there's no defending this shit, there's only brushing it under the rug. Coward.

now you're putting words in my mouth which I didn't say. I just simply think it's not worth spending my time arguing with a stubborn person whose opinion was clearly influenced by media outlets. As I say to people, I like some things he does and totally disagree on another. But being totally "this guy is shit we should have a corrupt dude that's as bad as him instead!" is dissatisfying. Instead of being close minded like you, I have faith that he changed a bit and he may do good this time. It's like saying that people's opinions don't change. If he was indeed homophobic and racist as people depict him, he wouldn't want to unite the Brazilian people under a single identity and would rather push for laws that incentivate racism and homophobia. We've yet to see, 4 years, it can be pretty good or it can be pretty bad. As I said, I disagree with some shit he said but I am not a dumbfuck who keeps calling him out because of stuff he said decades ago. A wise man on youtube said: just because he won, doesn't mean Brazil will become great again. We need to promote good projects and laws and protest against bad ones.

You have faith that the statements he made aren't accurate anymore? Why? What would drive you to believe a man who has stated flatly, as if it were a fact, that gay people are less valuable than other people has changed his mind? Oh, nothing? Damn, I guess we're just not as galaxy brain level thinking as you are.

You are equally blind like Trump supporters, it already began going against minorities.

"If his administration turns out to benefit everyone" - do you realize that what we've been taking issue with this whole fucking time is that it won't? Are you from the future to know it's going to be bad? We had 14 years of the same government where nothing worked, nothing new, same problems, no solutions, while the people in power kept getting rich over their administration timespan. Criminality and violence is a fucking big problem in our country and we've had the same people in power for 14 years AND NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT! Do you understand why people kept pushing for military intervention in these years? Because they lost faith in our democratic institutions and think the military would do a better job at restoring credibility in the institutions. I still want to know how bad is it to call LGBTQ+ human beings is bad. Please explain, because everything new I say you just keep saying "oh but he said stuff against gay people in the past!". I've seen all of these arguments, there's nothing new. Please come up with something new worthy of criticism, all you're doing is retweeting the FUD butthurt leftists keep spreading because papa "right-wing" won and there's no way to know if his administration will be indeed good or bad.

Literally no one is arguing for the previous government to remain in power. People are pointing out the fact that this man is a total fascist. You haven't said he isn't, not even once, you just have "faith" that he isn't. Why should anyone care if you have faith he'll be a good leader when we have evidence that he won't be? This is literally "Feels before reals" lol

I ask you to read my posts and tell me where exactly did I say that "his statements aren't accurate anymore"? Did I ever write that? I think not. What would drive you to believe a man who has stated flatly, as if it were a fact, that gay people are less valuable than other people has changed his mind? Because 1. he's not done ANYTHING at all to promote this sort of hate against gay people. He's been in the congress for 27 years and I've yet to see anything he did against gays. 2. If he hadn't changed his mind one of the things he'd say in his speech would be something in the lines of "homosexuals are the devil's work" which, afaik, he hasn't stated yet. and 3. he just recently started treating them as they should be treated - he treats them as human beings and he knows he'll be in a fucking lot of trouble (congress not passing his decrees/projects/bills) during his whole 4 years if he does a move against them.

He said gay people are less than other people, and no one would be proud to have a gay child. That's close enough to classifying them as a threat in a latin american society. Lying to yourself, being this intellectually dishonest and this detached from reality is really just hard to look at.

I mean, Bolsonaro's rise is very Trump-esque, so it is not surprising that his supporters are capable of the same olympic-tier mental gymnastics.

There's no substitute for calling liars and spreaders of misinformation out for being the problem they are

Because the fascism I learned in history classes has nothing to do with his government plans. I thought this was a local trend but seems like it's a worldwide trend to call every idea you disagree with "fascist". A wikipedia excerpt (which is exactly what I learned in my history classes): "Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy" He's not ultranationalist He's not a dictator, he's a president elected by democratic elections (unlike what happened in Venezuela) He's not suppressing the opposition He's not extremely controlling the society and the economy He is: Calling for union of the brazilian people Democratically elected president He can give in to public pressure - if he was authoritarian he'd simply say fuck all and do whatever he wants to He's promoting civil liberties and freedom, which a fascist would never do he's even trying to make it easier for people to own guns, what kind of fascist does that?

Fascists in history have said they’d do all those things you joke

As do I when I see someone whose opinion is clearly influenced by propaganda It's a false dichotomy to think this last election was about corruption vs no corruption. It is true that PT got away with lots that they should not have during government. But now, Lula is in jail. Dilma was impeached. Haddad lost. We in Brazil have always said "there is just as much corruption in other countries, but out there, they face consequences!" Well, there you have it. PT is not in government and has not been for the last 2 years. Their ex-president, and flagship of the party, is in a jail cell. There is higher rejection of PT in Brazil than there is of Bolsonaro. This, is called consequences. , Here's the funny thing about people: sometimes, they hide what they want. As cover, they tend to use things that people will agree with. Things that aren't even wrong, like "PT is corrupt". They build up their entire identity around it, so that there is no way to criticize them without also seeming like you're denying that truth - "So you're saying PT's corruption wasn't bad??". It's only one of the forms of manipulation that are part and parcel of politics. No one is immune to being manipulated. I am not immune to being manipulated. You are not immune to being manipulated. Haddad was a bad status quo. Bolsonaro is the status quo with a mask of change. He will get away with more than PT ever could until people like you wake up. ...His campaign was based entirely on dividing the population against one another. Uniting people under a single identity my ass

And? If that's what he thinks, so be it. It's unfortunate. It doesn't mean he's going to run around and kill gays walking down the street. It's totally different from saying "gays should die" and asking for violence against gays.

1. Hitler was also democratically elected and called for union of all German people 2. One doesn't simply become a dictator overnight, this man definitely shows the signs of someone who would. 3. He's only been in office for a short time there's not really much evidence either way of this 4. Fascism isn't necessary immediately restrictive, restriction tends to happen gradually and generally in response to some perceived threat (Venezuela maybe?) 5. Hitler also made it easier to own guns... for Germans. And all of this is prone to change because he's barely been in office.

What the fuck are you smoking? If his stated views have no effect on the policies he might do, then why did he campaign on those aspects of his views? How do you look at this situation and go "Oh he doesn't have plans to do things, because he hasn't stated his plans in super detailed ways publicly. So therefore he's totally never going to do anything". That logic is entirely insane and unsupported.

That's because fascists don't start doing that shit until they're in power. Hitler didn't get into power claiming that all gays and Jews should be murdered.

Haddad was a bad status quo. Bolsonaro is the status quo with a mask of change. He will get away with more than PT ever could until people like you wake up. As I said before, I am not that fucking bolsominion stereotype that you keep thinking I am because I present a different opinion than yours. If his administration turns out to be pretty bad, we'll just take him out in the next election. ...His campaign was based entirely on dividing the population against one another. Uniting people under a single identity my ass I didn't know that asking his supporters to chill out and let the opposition cry out loud, trying to provoke violence from his supporters, and proving there were a lot of fake news disseminated by huge newspapers in Brazil was "dividing the population".

People who publicly present two faces, the way Bolsonaro is, the way Hitler did, the way Mussolini did, are typical of fascists. You keep acting like he hasn't acted with two faces. he has. He has stated things flatly that you claim he did not say, or does not mean. This is literally you denying reality to insist your fiction is real. This is "feelings before reality" You are literally a face to put to the joke "Feels before reals".

not banning you because you have a clean ban history so far, but be more careful with the wording you use in polidicks.

He didn't campaign on homophobia and racism.

He did. It's literally another case of you denying reality, and insisting your fiction is true.

He's a historical revisionist who denies crimes committed by the dictatorship, how on earth is that not ultranationalist His chief of staff - who by the way, admitted to corruption live - announced a "despetização" (un-PT-fying) of the government. He aims to install government monitoring of NGOs. He has explicitly praised the dictatorship. It was an undemocratic, fascist coup but to Bolsonaro, it was "the military answering the calls of the population" He has spearheaded cultural backlash against "leftist indoctrination" and warns of it as an ever present danger, basing it on lies like those of the "gay kit" he rode throughout the election. Meanwhile, one campaign manager who was part of drawing up his government plans, retired general Aléssio Ribeiro Souto, has called for schools to teach only "the truth about 1964" (year of the coup), which I'm sure is a "truth" not tainted by any sort of historical revisionism.

He has stated things flatly that you claim he did not say, or does not mean. Explaining the context of a claim is now denying the claim? Wow. The difference is that he's not shown yet the fascist face these other dictators had. As far as I can tell, his two faces are the same. I have hope, which you don't have, his fascist face may never show up at all. thanks, I guess.

That's absolutely not what he did, you're straight up twisting reality to build a world where you are safe and coddled from ever having to consider that you're wrong

He campaigned on it. Being this willfully blind has consequences. I'm not the one who's going to pay them though. You, and your country men are.

I don't care what you are, I care what you say, and what you say does not match real events

This is some Stalketeer levels of mental gymnastics.

Watch Guia Politicamente Incorreto da História do Brasil - Ditadura Militar. It has made me rethink what I learned about the coup. One of the things the author of the book says (and he has a bunch of bibliographical references) is that the country was in such a state that the poverty, violence and criminality indexes were rising that the military felt obliged to take the chair. It wasn't the thing that we learn that they just overthrew the president at the time because they wanted to. Even Vladimir Herzog's son acknowledges this. He's a historical revisionist who denies crimes committed by the dictatorship, how on earth is that not ultranationalist I don't know how this is classified as ultranationalism.