'Bolsonaro is Hitler!' Venezuela's Maduro exclaims amid Brazil spat
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No, but sometimes people claim "family values" when they mean "traditionalism that leaves gay people to rot". Sometimes they talk about progress for the country, but what they mean is capitulating to corporate interests to line their own pockets. Sometimes they talk about a united nation, when they mean to make scapegoats out of its citizens when a "bad guy" is useful to their political message.
Can you link me these cases then? I haven't seen anything at all about him campaigning on homophobia and racism.
The archivist Rodrigo Moura Visoni, in an article published in the Brazilian Journal of History of Science, severely criticized the chapter referring to Santos Dumont, stating that the author "ended up making gross errors and, instead of extinguishing myths, only contributed to the dissemination of new absurdities. "
Seems like the book you tout is just full of shit written by an equally ideologically driven person
Can you link me these cases then? I haven't seen anything at all about him campaigning on homophobia and racism.
What you say also doesn't match the real events. But whatever, I thought you'd be more reasonable and have something new other than all the crap the left keep retweeting.
I agree on the first statement. The second one, I strongly disagree because in a fascist dictatorship, the "corporate interests" are solely the state's, because private corporations have next to no power.
Denial of your country's human rights abuses to paint a glorified picture of the fascist dictatorship that tortured its citizens and trampled their rights and freedom. Denial that it was fascist, or that the torture was unjustified, these things are part and parcel of ultranationalist fervor, through and through. You don't see it as revisionism because Bolsominion or not, you clearly fucking agree with the propaganda
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I'm talking about the tv series not the book. But yeah, they're written by the same person. People make mistakes, but it's interesting to see the claims he made in that episode.
This looks like pop history trash, but I won't judge a book by its cover. I'll judge it instead by the fact it has garnered immense criticism for being politically motivated, inaccurate, and intellectually dishonest
You're putting words in my mouth again. Just because I disagree with your opinion doesn't mean I am agreeing with the propaganda. I presented you something that helped me build my own opinion about the dictatorship,. Saying I find it interesting what an author said about a certain event doesn't instantly mean I'm agreeing with a side. Saying it made me rethink my previous opinion doesn't mean I am agreeing with it.
The TV series where historians asked their interviews to be pulled from?
No, you basically ignoring it's importance is you agreeing with it, it has nothing to do with you disagreeing with Zuk as a person lol.
I've seen all these statements already and he never used any of them in his presidential campaign.
Hitler was a fascist, and companies under his rule still made money, still had influence and were still vitally important and kept separate from the state. They did take orders, they did have mandates, but there are plenty of fascist examples of corporations having some ability to continue to make money.
They just tend to be politically and ideologically aligned, or even appointed by, the ruling government.
Which means they don't have any power. If they wanted to take Hitler out, they wouldn't be able to.
But they didn't WANT TO.
I get english isn't your first language, but please, this isn't complicated. I stated that they would be ideologically aligned with the ruling government.
Your country will empower corporations that stand both ideologically and financially aligned with Bolsonaro.
So, him using them in the campaign isn't using them in the campaign? Lol this is truly galaxy brain tier shit.
You endorsed it as a credible source. Don't be surprised when I point out that you are partial to it, because you are
Then you disagree when I say you're putting words in my mouth. I may disagree with his view, but I'm not going to use that to discredit him like everyone else does. People have their opinion. Using it to discredit everything someone does is clearly ad hominem. I don't agree with what he said but he can have his own opinion.
It's like talking to young people today in here and they all say "the military coup was an absolute oppression fest!", claiming it was too bad when they didn't even live in that period. But talking to older people reveals that some of them enjoyed the military command (and some even acknowledged the shit they did in the period, something on the likes "well, it was good for a side but it was also bad for everyone who had a single drop of socialism built in their political view").
I didn't say this. You advocated for propaganda here. Whether you do it at other times is not relevant. Whether you think of yourself as a sensible, moderate person who is simply not blinded by the media buzz is not relevant. I'll repeat, I don't care who you are, or what you subscribe to, I am responding only to what you have posted here, and what you've posted here doesn't match reality
if only anybody had saved this amount of outrage for when something could have been done against Maduro.
Fine, let's play the "advocating for propaganda game". You claim I'm advocating for his propaganda, I'll claim you're advocating for leftist propaganda. How's that for you?
There wasn't any outrage needed back then because there wasn't a handful of lemmings bending over backwards to make excuses for a bonafide psychopath.
Fine and dandy
I have his own words, actions and governmental decisions to show what kind of fascist he is. You have to treat him like a toddler who doesn't know what he says or does to justify him. It is clear where we stand
He's a product of the political environment that we have here. However violent, racist and homophobic you think he is, you can point at the other side of the fence to find people that are just as racist, as violent and as homophobic. And not just random people, either.
Now I'm confused. Is he a fascist or has everything to be come one? If the former, then are you from the future to know the outcome of these 4 years? Did he become a dictator?
It's absolutely fine for you to think he MAY become a fascist, but outright calling him a fascist is not. We don't know how these 4 years ahead of us are going to be.
How many other candidates ran on fighting the dangers of widespread gay indocrination? How many scapegoated minorities as privileged enemies of progress? You could definitely find bigots in other parties, because it's Brazil. But none of them rode out that bigotry like Jair Bolsonaro. None of them are president right now.
We agree, however, that he's a product of our environment. It's no wonder that a country that does not know its history and does not care for critical thinking fosters people like Bolsonaro.
Other candidates rode on different bigotries. Including our last two presidents. And have extensively shown their own prejudices on T.V.
....and you're going to bring them up any time now..?
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Are you that desperate to get a last word in and pull out a win that you're just borderline shitposting?
Literally whataboutism
Are we just going to ignore the divide they incited between classes? Between north-northeast and the south-southeast? The attacks against "elites"? They basically ride on the prejudice that anyone that has more money than you is stealing from you your just due.
they didn't invent those divides, they have always existed. they just didn't think they were acceptable
They worsened the divide using the feeling of disenfranchisement to further their own goals.
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