Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown
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There are only 700k daca recipients.
I don't get why Trump and dems gotta be at each other's throats? Can we not both secure our nation's border and fund the government?
Here's his offer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-to-make-new-offer-to-democrats-as-government-shutdown-drags-on/2019/01/19/2cde029e-1bf3-11e9-9ebf-c5fed1b7a081_story.html?utm_term=.728c4f2b7071
I pray someone grabs him by the back of his fancy suit and just tosses him out of there before closing the door on him at this rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LMKwsayAZE&feature=youtu.be&t=2203
Video of the speech in case anyone who missed it wants to watch the thing. Starts at about 36:45 if the timestamp doesn't work.
"3 years of certainty for DACA recipients" seems kinda disgusting and insulting? Like you have the power to give them certainty forever but you're gonna fuck them around like hey don't worry, we won't ruin your life for AT LEAST three years ;)
“Trump proposes amnesty. We voted for Trump and got Jeb!” Coulter tweeted.
The madman secretly did it!
The problem is that the wall isn't going to do shit for border security that spending the same amount of money on other methods of securing the border wouldn't do much better. After all, walls stopped working when we invented airplanes.
Democrats can agree on improving border security, but Trump equates border security to funding the wall and you can't negotiate with someone that simple-minded and bloody stubborn. He's put 800,000 federal employees through a month of shutdown, and in the case of essential employees they're forced to work unpaid in violation of the law, because he isn't getting what he wants. It's a fucking tantrum and there is no reason for Dems to reward that behaviour. Especially when they were ready to give Trump the honest deal he was asking for, $25 billion for the wall a year ago in exchange for a path to citizenship for the DACA kids, and he threw it out because he suddenly decided that since he was getting what he wanted he'd change the deal and ask for more.
House Dems are the responsible adults trying to get a tantruming toddler to stop screaming and flailing around on the floor because he can't have the wall ice cream. They're being the adults in the room while the senate is metaphorically down at the bar getting drunk instead of helping deal with what's going on at home.
This has more and more proven to be Trump's new main avenue of attack.
Coulter is a professional troll and a shitty human being but I don't think she realizes how dangerous and influential her clickbait rhetoric is. If shit goes south she's gonna find herself being crowned queen of an angry lynch mob who demands she decide how the "soyboys" the mob dragged out of homes should die.
Sen. Chuck Schumer's response:
https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1086753956838211586
I feel like this "deal" was made specifically knowing the democrats would shoot it down in order to cast blame onto them. "We tried to make a deal with the democrats but they wouldn't take it, the shutdown is on them now"
The Dreamers have been Trump's hostages for political leverage ever since he threatened to terminate, and then followed through, the DACA program. The courts have blocked the action but it's now the administration's position that Dreamers should be deportable at any time and no new applicants are allowed.
Everyone just forgot about them throughout 2018 after Trump failed to get what he wanted even after he set fire to the program and walked away to let it burn to the ground while he started separating families as a new way to blow the immigration dogwhistle to his base. Illegal immigration across the southern border is practically the only single topic that reliably gets Trump voters across the entire spectrum lining up behind the President, so he's leaning ever harder on it to maintain popularity as his Presidency slowly degrades and falls apart.
They need to make sure to put a camera outside:
https://youtu.be/WWWP8Tdk6OI?t=63
He's already blaming the democrats, though.
This is just par for the course.
He did this 2 weeks ago by staging a meeting (this time without reporters or cameras) and asked if he was going to get all the money he asked for, then left in a tantrum when the democrats bluntly said no, then stormed out and spent the rest of the weekend in front of fox news types blaming the democrats.
Unironically a good thing. The democrats caving will set the precedent that the best way to get what you want is to just shut down the government and hold federal employees hostage.
700K daca, like 500k TPS participants, a smathering of others. They all were taken hostage by Trump as his WH and state department has made it a priority to deport all of them, even as there is no legal justification especially with TPS participants.
Not worth enough. And, since that's all future stuff, I would not trust Republicans to actually follow through. They have lost any trust they once commanded - they can be given no opportunity to lie and cheat, because we must assume they will seize them.
If I were Pelosi right now, this is what my first offer would be - something just as partisan and unreasonable as the wall:
$20 minimum wage, with corresponding adjustments to the overtime threshold for salaried employees
Medicare for all
Heavy carbon tax
Some sort of change to tax rates to raise the effective tax rate on 500K+ brackets and corporations to the point of the government no longer running a deficit (this can be done by capping exemptions, by closing tax-haven loopholes, or by just raising the base rates to compensate for cheating; any one or combination could be acceptable)
Obviously, I would not expect such a deal to go through. (Then again, Trump is a horrible negotiator and could very well throw away all advantages to take the first deal given to him, like he kind of did with North Korea). My expectation would be to compromise, strike elements from both sides until it's barely a deal at all (I'd consider a fair end result to be a $12 minimum wage in exchange for less than half a billion for maintenance of the existing fences). I don't think we're going to get a grand deal, both sides giving up a lot - neither side wants the other to really be able to claim victory but we've sunk too much anger into this to just quietly pass a normal budget and end the shutdown.
I do consider it possible we might just see temporary patches for two full years. The opinion polls are getting pretty nasty, I don't think we can leave the government shut down entirely for much longer, but neither side seems willing to give enough concessions for the other to accept it. (Not in a "both sides bad" way - the GOP is demanding a way bigger concession than the Dems are, like they need it to be hugely one-sided in their favor while Dems seem likely to accept an even trade)
The federal government of the United States has been running on continuing resolutions since 1999 and hasn't have a full budget since then
It hasn't worked yet and it won't work this time either. He and McConnell own this and everyone knows it.
I'd offer the min wage hike/peg to inflation, but I'd drop medicare for all in favor of true universal healthcare, drop the carbon tax(Itt'l just punish people who literally can't afford to lower their carbon emissions it while doing fuck all to the rich and powerful), replace it with a minimum wage UBI(We're gonna need it when automation removes most transport industry jobs, a lot of retail jobs, and when all those coal mining jobs disappear as coal dies off in favor of nuclear and hydro), and throw in Congressional term limits and a legally enforceable 'I will not run for a 2nd term' clause.
Are you sure about that? I've heard facts like that cited a lot but some Wikipediaing seems to dispute that. We've had omnibus appropriations acts every year going back at least to 2013. Maybe you could argue back in 1999 we had a single bill to fund the entire government but that definitely gets into technical argument territory. There's certainly nothing wrong with breaking the budget bills down by department and passing each separately - that could arguably be a better way of doing it, more room for flex and compromise, and inability to fund one department contains the shutdown to just that, not the full government.
Tbh I've just heard it around, omnibus's are kind of bullshit full of pork and riders
Yeah but if you tried to pass an appropriations bill for every single budget line, you'd be passing thousands of them (even at just granting a single budget line to each agency, look how many federal agencies there are). Omnibus bills have their uses and budget matters are an obvious one.
but those are brown people...
Maybe I'm colorblind, then, because if I look at them all I see are Americans...
Well excuse me, sorry for believing @elix
they often fund it temporarily with CRs until they can get a budget so that might be the confusion. There's rarely a single unified document though
It still blows my mind that we haven’t seen nationwide protests and general strikes in response to this madness.
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