"It Was Getting Ugly"- Native American Drummer on MAGA teens surrounding him
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/covington-kentucky-student-statement/index.html
Actually seems way more respectful than the parent, so I'm more willing to believe it is genuine.
He's still a trump supporter, so he still supports an insanely regressive president who seems to be dismantling the country piece by piece.
I've followed several people who have talked about this issue. Part of me is afraid everyone on the left is going to just keep quiet now that we know that what happened isn't what we thought happened, and that no one is going to learn from this. I had joined a discord today where everyone was still firmly on the side of "they're wearing maga hats so they're assholes no matter what happened they're in the wrong" so I quickly left that discord. I hope the person I follow on Twitter says something about this but as much as I respect her I'm afraid that she and most other liberals on social media are going to stop commenting on this story altogether and we'll collectively learn nothing.
Native American elder mocked by young Donald Trump supporters in..
based black israelites
Well anyone wearing a MAGA hat actually is most likely an asshole because anyone not an asshole would likely have the awareness not to openly support something so utterly retarded.
And in this case personally I feel that the guy in the CNN article comes across as insincere regardless of whether the Native American is the one who was overall in the wrong. Kinda hard to take someone's words at face value when they're saying shit like "I ... do not have hateful feelings in my heart" whilst simultaneously wearing a MAGA hat. Obviously there's always the chance he's wearing it because of his family's political beliefs but if that is the case then maybe he should use this as a learning experience that the hate he and his classmates were getting is because even if they didn't realize what they were supporting, they were still openly supporting a hateful ideology.
This seems like the kind of situation that requires all of the facts about the event before forming a hard line stance on it. I'm seeing a lot of different angles from this entire event and I'm still not sure what to make of it all. Guess in the future there needs to be more care put into research than sensationalism.
This is the kind of thing that was on my twitter timeline for a bit because of who I follow.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/232726/7db06812-172d-44d8-af35-134c54c86a33/image.png
If what actually happened is what, according to the new video, it appears what actually happened, how disillusioned are these people going to be? Are they going to even admit they were wrong? Are they going to just avoid talking about this? Is a single person on the left going to have a discussion about assuming the context and behaviors of the people involved just because of their identities or political leanings?
The idea that the vast majority of people who agree with me on almost every political issue would act as disingenuous as to completely drop this and forget this whole ordeal if it turns out MAGA hat wearing Trump supporters were behaving honorably and a Native American elder was behaving shamefully... that scares me. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen, but I'm afraid that's what is going to happen. This is not a war, where we pretend everything that makes our "enemies" look good doesn't exist, and we refuse to admit to or learn from mistakes for fear it will expose some kind of weakness. I don't want the left to suffer from the lack of self awareness that much of the right suffers from.
"Go back to Europe..."
I wouldn't recommend going back right now.
That's not the reason he and his classmates were getting hate, not from the Black Israelites. The hate he was receiving from them included quotes like this:
At one point in the video one of the black men told the students around him: "You got on the back of the court system 'In God we trust', on the back of the dollar bill it says 'In God we trust', but you give faggots rights."
And you're saying this should be a "learning experience" that people being hateful towards him should make him think "hey maybe they hate me for a reason?" That's horseshit logic. That's not how you teach someone that their are problems with their beliefs.
bluechecks on twitter going fucking nuts, calling for doxxing and death
God I hate social media
I know what's going to happen next and I'm dreading it.
Michael Hodge has almost assuredly received multiple invitations from Breitbart, from Sean Hannity, from all of these far right people for interviews. Of course he's going to accept them. If there's one thing I wish I could do, it was meet him in person and tell him why, under no circumstances, should he accept these interviews. I want that more than anything else in the world right now. But why wouldn't he? More opportunities for people to hear his side of the story, right?
But what's going to happen is, his appearance on those shows will stoke the flames of hatred on both sides. All the people reading and tuning in will get to see "how horrible and intolerant liberals are". And what else happens? Now he has no leg to stand on in terms of people defending him. Liberals will take one look at the fact that he appeared on Breitbart or Sean Hannity and say "Well if he appeared on there we can't trust him." Now liberals have no chance of learning from this situation.
And what will happen when conservatives learn about these poor innocent teenagers being defamed by a Native American elder? Death threats. Threats to him. Threats to his family. Along with the death threats that Michael Hodge and his family is no doubt receiving right now. Both sides of the issue will have ample examples of horrible, unacceptable behavior from the other side justifying their hate. Having a nuanced opinion on the issue won't be acceptable, and if you're on the other side, you might as well be one of the people sending death threats to the elder or the teenager.
This is just going to be another incident like Trayvon Martin or GamerGate that just pushes the division of our politics even further. I feel like I don't want to wake up tomorrow.
the divisions in our society are too wide, violence is inevitable
Its a stupid, impressionable fucking kid. This is nonsense.
facts speak for themselves, if you cant behave responsibly with what you're given, like any baby you need to be put in a corner for timeout. Granted I don't like it either when they arrest people here for making derogatory remarks on social media platforms, but it's better than arresting them because they shared a few memes about a bigshot politician. Again, unless i'm convinced that Americans are using their rights responsibly, instead of just saying whatever bullshit they want to say, i'm not going to budge from my stance.
Why the fuck is a school sending pupils to a march for life to begin with? They're just begging to get their slack-jawed, foul mouthed children decked in their bitch faces. If your children are old enough for you to bus to protest women's bodily autonomy, they're old enough to get doxed. Fuck prolifers.
it's quite funny how the guy pretty much outright doxxes the kid but refuses to go the whole way and says to other people "doxxing is bad we shouldn't do it to this kid" because he's a coward
Could someone give me the lowdown on what's changed since the original story surfaced? How did the original circumstances change?
No one «surrounded» the drummer. They were just in the same place for different reasons. Soundbites were added to the clips to stir racial tension around incidents that were never explicitly related to the border wall
here
https://twitter.com/JeremyMcLellan/status/1087170367607767040
right on cue:
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1087152293324222466
already getting memory holed
Good job giving Trump supporters ammunition. No wonder they're so insanely paranoid when everyone and their mother tries to spin a story.
what's wrong with this tweet?
I think the broader context of "trump is still a racist person who creates racist policy, which attracts racists" is still correct
https://twitter.com/lisasharper/status/1087174914673655809
Man there are so many new opinions and statements coming from the more detailed videos.
The verified tick seems to, in far too many cases, act like a -50 debuff to intelligence
The president is verified so that checks(hah) out.
This is definitely part of a larger trend towards cultural cleave that may help undo progression towards a refined liberal center as the Cold War dragged on and we rapidly developed. We laid to rest a lot of ideas that were strong in the first half of the 20th century, it looks like the wheel is turning again.
What you're describing is part of it. James Damore went straight to right-wing talk show hosts and such, precluding any discussion of the merits of his piece and causing the whole thing to immediately degenerate into a conflict over values and culture. Ostensibly non-aligned actors like Assange and Snowden both ended up on the anti-Western side, more or less. On the progressive aisle, candidates like Stein and Bernie, parties like SYRIZA, talk show hosts like Jimmy Dore and Thom Hartmann, etc. have ended up semi-associated with Russian interests as the left grips with questions ranging from Euroskepticism to policy in Ukraine and Syria.
Has Starbucks and Gillette generated a new discussion between rational citizens who have left so much history behind, are much wealthier and educated, and who should be happy given the unprecedented peace and prosperity we live in? I don't think so.
I am 99% certain this new sectarianism is a product of increased freedom for atomized individuals, greater inequality between parts of society, and a more integrated and centralized society. We are becoming more divergent and self-sorted which complicates this clamoring over institutions that are in turn more unprecedented in breadth and height as civil society develops in parallel to the broadening market. I think the most 21st century thing we've seen so far is how social media has interacted with politics, and so it's starting to look like a disaster for democracy. This is in contrast to our early praise for it as seen in the Arab Spring or the Obama campaign.
I'm hearing "everyone was an asshole that day" in regards the context video but like.. That doesn't make it okay? Two wrongs don't make a right?
Like, nobody is arresting anybody for a crime. So just because other people started it doesn't mean I can't think its wrong to shout build the wall or go to protests in support of maga bs. I'm allowed think one side started the fight while simultaneously judging the other side for getting involved. If I were in his shoes I would have at the very least appeared uncomfortable, not giving a face like I was about to get a boner.
"you're so triggered tho!" not really, I'm mildly bothered. I haven't gone outside with my guns for a photo or wrecked my plumbing. I haven't even cursed. I'm not calling for the kids heads (in fact I'm regularly advocating for their personal lives to be kept private on my personal socials). I just think he's a nasty boy and I'm pretty sure I'm justified in doing so. For the record I also think that chief and the black isrealites fucked up too, but I don't think their groups are 1. ruining the country and 2. large enough to reach me and therefore are not a concern of mine.
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