• "It Was Getting Ugly"- Native American Drummer on MAGA teens surrounding him
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what facts? what are you even going on about dude who are you to decide how Americans should exercise their rights prescribed by the Constitution? who decides what is and is not responsible use of the 1st when that usage is legal in the first place? it's a two way street — stripping someone's rights because they said something that hurts your feelings or differs from your ideology is authoritarian and oppressive
I'm getting some Patrick Bateman vibes from the grinning jackass. Like thats a grin of a fucking Sociopath.
People need to stop looking for a new public enemy holy shit Everyone wants to get at Trump but nobody can so they're content to just get at anyone that reminds them of Trump in any way
I reread the original article, what bothers me is the change in back story of what Philips said. He initially said that they were surrounded when packing up, but the video and now his new story says that he saw several black people surrounded by a mob of MAGA hat wearing white people and went to defuse the situation. While that could very well be the truth, why didn't he lead with that? In fact, what seems to have occurs actually somewhat lines up with what the mother said about "black Muslims," in the sense that black Hebrew Israelites were the ones hounding the teens (as well as other passerby). It does say a lot about that school's education system and their environment if they assume they're Muslims though. I do think there might still be an issue with the school though, the rape story and blackface stories from before seem to be true, and the mother's response did a hell of a lot to inflame people. Additionally, busing kids out to Washington DC from Kentucky for political reasons? Allowing them to wear politically charged clothing? I do find that kind of questionable, hopefully kids could opt out of it (the trip part, obviously those kids wearing MAGA hats have a belief system I disagree with already ingrained in them). With that said, that doesn't mean that the kids did anything wrong here (unless they were actually taunting the Native Americans and I didn't hear it). Unfortunately it looks like we're not going to learn from this. A lot of people on the right seem to be quickly using this as a rallying cry of fake news and going after Philips and the "aggressive Natives," while somehow missing the true instigators, while some on the Left are doubling down on the initial report or trying the move the goalposts to "why were the teens there in the first place, etc." I'm worried people are just going to use this to dig deeper into their own biases instead of using it as a conversation on the power of the media and the internet, as well as the current situation in our society where this can so quickly explode and be believed even without the entire picture. I think any other president would do their best to address this. Hell, I could imagine them bringing the groups to a sit down to have a conversation (i.e Obama: Obama invites race row policeman for a beer | US news | The Guar..). More than likely Trump will just either ignore this or use it as flak against the left leaning media. For the kids, it might be the first time they've ever been stereotyped because of appearance and clothing, hopefully they can reflect and maybe find some empathy for other people that have been stereotyped in the past.
https://i.imgur.com/gVAkUAk.jpg
He clearly didn't win though, and if there wasn't another video released showing the full incident, I'm sure no one would have believed his side of the story.
Black Israelites are a homophobic, misogynistic and racist cult.
This has been one of the worst kneejerk reactions from the left in a good amount of time. I realize that Trump is a huge idiot and a danger to the nation, but some of the rhetoric espoused here and in social media like Twitter is extremely worrying or even down-right disgusting. Especially the fucking troglodytes that are calling for doxxing or death threats or removal of free speech. It's a fucking kid. Some junior in high school who was pushed his parents' views down his throat and now believes in 'em. Almost all of us were there at some point, maybe in a different political orientation though.
I find that you're generally a pretty good poster with sane opinions that I can get behind, but frankly I can't say this is one of those opinions that I can actually agree with without feeling guilty for it.
It's almost as if the veil is lifted for a moment sides wash away, everyone is forced to confront the egg on their raised snarling faces they snarl because they love, and they hate to not love, they love to hate. the universe, uncaring, continues to turn. someone caught it on film. just for a moment, there's a shared story, shared information. edges of the left nip, edges of the right nip, either in a different time-phase of knowledge or out of gleeful habit. identity politics begin to churn again, maw open to comfort you with a world that makes sense, in a nihilistic sense. so to follow that trap the alt-right is the feeling you get when you want to poke the beehive a second time, just to know how angry it could be. hatred is just a game, a test, some fukken fun, this is the internet and we've been shitposting for 30 years. conservative values are pragmatic, follow the leader until you can be the leader and do what's right where you can, prosper your family in the meanwhile. currently, the president is the leader. liberal values are idealistic, how can you change humanity's noise for the better, who should be leader, why should they be leader? the far left are the silicon valley synagogue, seeing an ai-fueled superworld in their fingertips, only achievable through mass data collection, the fundamental currency. Image is everything because everything is seen, every off-colour joke and jib is permanently stuck so you must be a hypocrisy, falling further away from organic reality. but who gives a shit? This story is about a man who feels he's wise, and tries to whip some sense into a group of bored teens shooting the shit on a field trip. They don't take, they feel he doesn't understand them and is being an arrogant fuck. They be arrogant fucks back. Political parties who's livelihoods depend on this bullshit drama prosper and the unintended consequences of the world trying to fit itself into "2000's funzone internet" are the genuine issues of this generation, not trump, not immigration, financial but not material poverty, also finding the balance on the planet becoming a sheet of concrete and silicon instead of a nice green ball of fauna and birds.
https://twitter.com/PikePlaceTechie/status/1087117202749378560?s=19
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1087091672507285504 Can someone explain to me what's fake news. People are acting like we've falsely imprisoned in innocent man but all I've seen so far is people saying "fuck that guy" which I'll repeat: You can say fuck that guy without abolishing guilt of the other parties. If you think this deserves a national platform then shouldn't it be an unbiased mediated debate between him and the Native guy?
I think you have a point there somewhere but this reads like a page from Rorschach's journal.
The fake news was that it was being made to sound like the kids were harassing the drummer and surrounding him, rather than the drummer going in there on his own accord. They were trying to portray victims in a situation where there weren't really any.
Many people are saying "fuck that guy" based on incorrect facts reported by the news. The kids in the story are being shamed, doxxed, and there are literal calls to violence on them because of this. The frustrating thing is, even in this thread, people read the headline, yell "fuck that guy" and then either don't hear or don't care that the initial facts of the story were not presented correctly. This is what we get upset about the right doing, we should care no matter who does it. (btw I'm not saying this is a left vs right issue, I'm referring to just reacting to initial news and not questioning it because it falls in line with our worldview.)
Because the media reported for days that a group of evil MAGA hat teens surrounded a poor feeble indigenous man and chanted "build the wall" at him, when in reality the kids were being harassed by Black Israelites and the drum circle, comprised of grown men who should know better, actually instigated the altercation by approaching and getting in the faces of literal children for wearing stupid hats? I don't usually defend the rampant cries of "fake news" but this is literally the textbook definition of it and now the reporting agencies are having to eat their own words and admit they completely fucked this story up.
Okay. All I really have to say is "oh" because how you guys are saying it was reported was before I had heard about it. I learned about this from twitter and only saw the videos themselves and the 'context' video already existed by the time I jumped in. So you can see how from my perspective calling it fake news seemed silly since I missed all that reporting. That said: I feel like people are acting like the kids are being doxxed for this reason or that reason but.. And maybe this makes me an asshole... but if you go to a political rally in the trump era and expose your face, you're walking into the possibility of being doxxed. There's a reason people wear masks to these things. I get they're kids but their school should have warned them that going as a group to one of these things is risking the entire internet unleashing it's shitstorm upon them, especially if they're wearing the symbols of one of the sides.
Under other contexts, you'd call this "Victim blaming". We need to get away from this partisan bullshit. You're accepting that they get doxxed for their political position as, for lack of a term, a cost of doing business in the Trump era. This isn't okay. No one should be doxxed, no one should be afraid to offer political dissidence. I'm rapidly losing faith that this will resolve in a way that allows the nation to move forward or heal what so ever. If you can't, or won't, accept that no one should be doxxed and threatened, then I don't know what we're supposed to even be saying anymore.
So are any of the people who are literally inciting violence and murder on twitter going to face any punishment at all?
The only thing cringier than the kid are the people acting like humble apologetic sages over realizing most of the story is a sham. A bunch of people take a short video as absolute fact....sounds familiar. "Fake news" is real, it's just not always the outrageous shit that you can easily identify and it doesn't only target conservatives, when you fall for shit like this it only reinforces them. Trying to ruin a kids life over being a dickhead is disgusting, and so is comparing this event to the legacy of civil rights activists doing sits in where they actually risked their lives over that.  People have to be better than this to make a difference. The first page of this thread is basically a wall of shame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg3OihbIaig This video is all you need to know about them
Welp, time to take my recommended videos behind the ol' shed.
That's because the media publishing an incorrect story doesn't suddenly absolve him of being a cunt.
He will be doxxed anyway. The guy was basically making an anti-dox statement with what he said.
Wait, does news outlets falsely reporting that the kid was the one harassing the Native American not considered fake news?
That's the problem. Just because he's on some stupid online viral video means that countless people will pry into every detail of his life that they can, stripping away his privacy and permanently cementing him as an online figure. The person who made those tweets didn't do an awfully good job at making an "anti-dox" statement. His sentiment would have carried so much more weight if, once again, this dude wasn't actively in the process of trying to doxx the kid himself. It ultimately doesn't matter how much personal information you release on someone, if you show that you had the full intent to dig up information that should stay private, you're a scumbag. Doxxing is disgusting, and I wish it was still universally considered a despicable and slimy move.
delete the video from your viewing history and it won't influence your recommended videos
https://www.thewrap.com/film-producer-jack-morrissey-apologizes-for-deleted-covington-woodchipper-tweet/ https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1750/376008ae-f83a-483c-b378-aaa85b788c80/image.png
It turns out the kid's parents hired a PR firm to spin the story away https://eu.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2019/01/21/covington-catholic-runswitch-pr-helped-student-in-controversial-video/2638400002/
Did they pay the native American bloke to walk up to the kids and lie too?
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