Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run
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Ok everyone. We fucked up the first time. lets try and not fuck up again.
Sanders/Warren or Warren/Sanders. Let's go.
I'm actually amazed at how little Trump has aged since then, must be all those fucking big macs preserving him. Though the dude looks brighter every fucking time you look at his face
He was in fact one of the youngest presidents ever, so yeah. The youngest belongs to Theodore Roosevelt at 42 years old if you were wondering.
The stress of the job ages you, Trump never actually does his job so he's never going to feel stressed by it.
You also have to care about the job too.
Executive Time isn't stressful unless he's hate-watching CNN or MSNBC. And like half the dude's """work""" day is ET.
I'm surprised his schedule doesn't just literally have "naptime" written on it anywhere.
Why? If Bernie is the best, why can't he prove that by charging through all his Democratic opponents?
Not to mention debating them will both refine his own points as well as potentially find him a VP pick.
because we dont want a repeat of the dem race in 2016
Super delegates are already nerfed and California moved its primary to Super Tuesday, as Smurfy already pointed out.
This will be a far more fair fight than 2016.
I think that's a common issue for any upstanding individual at this point.
Fucking elect him this time
looking at you DNC
It's not really a great slogan, though. There's no strong message, and while it's clever it's also too complicated. But I guess at least it doesn't literally have "Love Trump" in it like one of Hillary's slogans.
Yeah but they're going to be a "loud" minority that little people will pay attention to. When it comes down to it, that'll make a small difference in the votes.
I mean, no doubt people are going to be pissed at Bernie for voting for the SESTA-FOSTA bills, and that'll definitely sway their opinion, but I really doubt we're going to get a more ideal candidate, in terms of all policy plans, voting history, and winning-potential/popularity.
It's conjecture but I personally believe Bernie would have done well in the presidential race despite failing to win the democratic convention, coming from Vermont he had stronger ties to the rural areas around the country that ended up being Hillary's downfall. Democratic and Republican conventions are generally ideological purity tests, and if you're voting for the best republican or democrat then you aren't necessarily voting for who has the best chance in the presidential race.
Not to mention he performed amazingly well in the Rust belt and with independents.
Thing is that he did terribly with minority votes; Hilary won a lot of states because the Urban Minority areas voted heavily in her favor. And that vote makes a huge bulk of the democratic vote which means he would've lost to Trump.
Now why he didn't have minority support? I can't say for ever city but while I was working the Bernie Campaign in Philly, it was because he was an old white jew. Up to that point, I was used to white racism, I got plenty of (((THEM))) comments from historically and currently white population centers. What I didn't expect was the same (((THEM))) comments from the African American population centers.
Cool, hopefully he'll be the spoiler candidate who throws our country into the grip of an absolute madman again this time 'round.
With zero reservations: Fuck Bernie Sanders.
You seriously believe that Bernie somehow spoiled Hillary's chances of winning when she won the popular vote in the national election by three million votes?
lmao
Unquestionably, yes, because his vote margins exceeded her loss margins in the handful of locations that actually mattered, and that was not by accident. The Bernie Bro Bullshit was heavily supported by Kremlin social engineering campaigns in just those locations.
how big was the 'never Hillary' 'bernie or bust' movement anyway, I'm willing to bet it wasn't very significant at all. How could Bernie have even spoiled anything, he dropped out of the race when he lost
And Bernie also told his supporters to vote for Hillary despite his disagreements with her when she won the primary so ????
This is honestly one of the stupidest things I've ever heard and it's the kind of argument Neera Tanden and other Hillary Clinton loyalists make to justify their own shitty politics. This whole election in general has just sent you off the deep end. For someone who makes big flowery speeches about the sanctity of our democracy, you're actively deriding a primary race as a "spoiler", even though Hillary won regardless, so I don't know how that makes sense. Is Bernie supposed to not run a campaign? Is he supposed to pull his punches when he criticizes her policy ideas and her record? This is a nominally democratic process to select the best candidate to be the president. He overperformed against everyone's expectations and got a very respectable share of the vote. He has A-list name recognition this time around and polls put him as one of the foremost contenders for the nomination. If you're serious about getting Trump out of office, he's statistically and ideologically the best person to put against Trump. Shouldn't Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke get out of his way, lest they be derided as "spoilers" for the crime of trying to run for office? Hillary Clinton losing was her own fault and if you're going to become a bitter, spiteful reactionary over the 2016 election and learn absolutely nothing from it then you're only going to help Trump get reelected.
also, I recall the biggest reason that Hillary lost was that many democratic voters didn't turn out
Less than ten voters per county in the key locations Trump had to win to have a path to victory was the difference between an underwhelming status quo Democratic president, and the absolute nutfuckery of Trumpublicans. That's all it took. Ten people who had to be convinced not to vote for Hillary Clinton -- or worse, to make a protest vote for Trump.
I'd like to see sources on the voting numbers, but this argument falls apart anyway with the simple fact that two-time Obama voters flipping to Trump had a significantly greater impact than the Bernie voters who flipped.
Yeah. As I've been saying. The Kremlin's campaign was hyper focused on convincing on very specific subset of Democratic voters from not turning up to vote for Hillary, and it came down to a nearly microscopic margin in the end. How many Bernie Bros do you know that refused to vote for Hillary once she beat him in the primaries? How many do you know that made a fucking protest vote for Trump instead?
Russia Also Helped Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-bernie-sanders-ad-man-who-played-paul-manaforts-game/2018/08/01/0df78c18-95c7-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html?noredirect=on
What's more likely? People didn't come out to vote for Hillary because they were subtly engineered by Russian propaganda not to do so? Or she was just an uninspiring candidate that couldn't work up the enthusiasm in a base that she repeatedly stabbed in the back? The myth of the "Bernie Bro" voter is completely anecdotal and it's a transparently lazy smear in the first place. Between 6% and 12% of Bernie voters flipped to Trump, which is not an anomaly. About the same number of Republican voters flipped to Clinton.
Literal conspiracy-tier ramblings on an unsourced blog is not a legitimate source.
Right, and even if Bernie had not come along to challenge her, do you really think those 'Bernie or bust' voters would've voted for Hillary? I think it's pretty damn likely they would've just voted for Trump anyway
and why would you blame Bernie himself so heavily for this?? I'd maybe agree with you if he proceeded to be silent after losing the primary, but he instead urged his voters to vote for Hillary, which many 'Bernie or bust' weirdos were disappointed with, and got her to include several of his policies in her campaign.
Can we please stop perpetuating the ”He’s too old to run for president!” meme? It’s just unsubstantiated garbage meant to play into people’s fears.
You seem to be severely underestimating just how narrow Trump's victory here was. 12% of Bernie supporters was more than enough. You may choose not to "believe" the "conspiracy tier" hard data, however, but here's the fact: there literally was a fucking conspiracy. Did you miss that? It's been in the news bit lately. There's a fellow in the FBI named Mueller who has been making some waves.
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