Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run
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I really dislike the term "Bernie Bro". Makes it feel like people who swung that way legitimized just for voting that way.
Like your vote matters yes but calling it "Bernie Bro" cause people went Bernie or bust is kinda shit.
Like had it been me in USA. I would have only voted for Bernie because my views aligned with Bernie and nobody else. Since we lost Bernie back in the 2016 elections and was replaced with Hillary who has different views than I, I would not vote anyone else because they don't align with my views.
It's good to see Bernie hasn't given up and I look forward to next years elections but the age really worries me.
You know what works when people disagree with your ramblings saying that Bernie Sanders is the reason why Trump won the presidency? Being condescending, that definitely does it.
Grow up man, this shit just reads like a neoliberal painted the_donald rant.
Again, do you really think those Bernie or bust voters would've voted for Hillary if bernie had not challenged her?
A vote is not a love letter. You're not making a stand by refusing to vote for a candidate you only kind of support, when the other candidate is a hostile agent seeking to eradicate everything our nation has accomplished to loot it for himself. America's voting system is fuckin' stupid, but it's the only one we have. In time, I hope we can change it, but we have to work with what we have to try and do the most good we can in the meantime. You don't focus on remodeling your bathroom while your house is burning to the ground.
"Hillary lost by 3 votes per precinct (based on this sketchy conspiracy blog that confirms my own biases). It's clearly Bernie's fault that she couldn't convince three fucking people to vote for her." It's crazy that people can say this with a straight face. Learn to own your loss instead of looking for scapegoats. And I'm not disputing the interference- I'm disputing this totally made up "she lost by 3 votes" horseshit. Don't be disingenuous.
This study here tells me 13% of Obama voters flipped to Trump. Maybe they're the ones who threw the election? I mean, I can keep throwing a bunch of numbers at you.
Bernie's voted to impose sanctions on Russia before. He voted no on a bill recently because it also had Iranian sanctions as a rider. He doesn't want to sanction Iran because he wants to protect the Iran deal. He's been doing the same thing since 2016: pushing the policies that the majority of Americans want. The success of the Stop BEZOS Act got 300,000 Amazon workers a raise. With that alone he's done more for working-class people than most of Congress right now.
So let me get this straight.
Sanders is one of the most popular, well-polling potential candidates the Dems have.
There are a significant number of historically snubbed progressives that feel represented by his policies and rhetoric and want him to run.
But he shouldn't even take a shot in the primaries and those people shouldn't even be given a chance to put their support behind the person they actually want to represent them, because he's somehow the spoiler candidate here, in spite of the fact that he has greater popularity and recognition among voters than any of his would-be opponents.
He should've joined the Democratic party this time round before trying to run it in again as a sign of good faith. I don't see what justification he can have to not if he wants to be the leader of it.
If candidates can cause a spoiler effect in the presidential election just by being in the primaries, the logical conclusion seems to be that as few candidates as possible should run at all, and ideally all other candidates should be sabotaged (especially if they're really popular), and the primaries should be rigged. Hmm.
I've yet to see any officially conducted 2020 polls, just strawpolls from a variety of non-primary sources. Not even 538 has started aggregating any actual polling data on 2020, because there's just not enough to aggregate yet (especially considering that only a few candidates have actually officially announced).
Frankly, this time around, the things that made Bernie unique and attractive also don't make him stand out. Admittedly, thanks in large part to his rhetoric in the 2016 election, nearly all 2020 candidates are adopting much more progressive policy platforms. The causes that Bernie has tried to champion are now carried by the party as a whole, and he definitely deserves some commendation for that, but this is not good news for him as a candidate. He's going against younger, more proactive, more aggressive candidates who have played bigger roles in addressing the issues that have come front and center since 2016.
Additionally, he lacks the only other real advantage he had in 2016: he's not running against the Hillary Clinton, who was perhaps one of the worst candidates to run against Trump.
With a platform that fails to stand out, a host of much stronger candidates in the field, and the simple fact that he's a decrepit old white dude in a party that is placing increased emphasis on their own diversity, he's just not a good choice. Combine that with the spoiler and protest votes he provoked in 2016 tossing our country into the hands of the single worst "president" in American history, and that he has been so fuckin' unimpressive since his candidacy failed, I am pretty squarely convinced that he is wrong in every possible sense for 2020. Perhaps official polling in the coming months, once the playing field becomes less speculation and more fact, will prove me wrong on this, but I'm not holding my breath.
@smurfy maybe you wont have to see my hairy ass afterall
That, too. His "outsider" angle is a hell of a lot less attractive after Trump. We need a strong political operator who can actually accomplish the shit they're preaching. For example, Pelosi is about as "status quo" as it gets, and many of ya'll bemoaned her becoming speaker, but she just kicked Trump and the GOP's ass black and blue over this shutdown nonsense.
I really like bernie. Not as much as in 2016 but I still like him and will 1000% vote for him in the general election.
Not sure if I'll vote for him in the primary though. I honestly like warren better. Sure bernie is more charismatic but warren has far better policies and more evidence backing up her policies. I'm just worried that Warren and Bernie will split the progressive vote.
I also think bernie is too old. and don't whatabout me please, this is my opinion.
My #1 priority is to get trump out and will GLADLY vote for ANYONE. Harris is ok, better than hillary. I don't really like booker that much, but I guess. I don't really like castro but he won't win so lol. And biden is also too old, but I'll gladly vote for him.
If bernie doesn't win again we can't not vote again, we have to suck it up and vote.
Bernie will win
Can we bring back toxx? Just for this?
Long ago I once thought you were a smart man. You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.
Your mentality and terribly unproductive attitude sure isn't going to get your candidates in.
Ok, who do you think he should leverage for then.
Who in your mind is the golden goose that will have no spoiler effect at all?
Computer, show me a steaming hot take.
Bernie has been a fucking ghost since 2016
https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-dollars-2018-10
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/sanders-statement-after-senate-passes-yemen-war-powers-resolution
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/10/11/bernie-sanders-rallies-midterms/1599966002/
This man busted his fucking ass across major battleground states to ensure the Blue Wave happened. He fought alongside picket lines for workers fighting for a higher minimum wage since 2016, and his efforts in ending US involvement in Yemen shows his foreign policy experience and expertise is sharpening up. Him being a ghost is plain nonsense. Look at the major policy endorsements the Democratic party is now following:
Medicare for All
Free public college tuition
Raising the federal minimum raise to $15
These were all of Bernie's major 2016 Presidential run policies that are now mainstream Democratic Party litmus tests. He is the most popular politician in the United States.
Do you know why?
Because he knows what every day Americans are struggling with because he makes himself part of each major labor or social struggle.
Basically, he's not a spoiler candidate. He is the frontrunner.
Neoliberal politics are what brought us here, and each of the DNC candidates like Harris and Biden want to bring back "normalcy". We can't go back to normal. Only an extremely strong, worker-focused progressive candidate will stop Trump and restore the public's trust in the Democratic Party.
Yeah but didn't Amazon remove the stock bonus workers got when they "generously" increased their minimum wage?
Yes, however, it's about forcing the conversation to get the minimum wage caught up with inflation and rises in standards of living. Besides, some workers cannot wait for stock options to vest and mature and need the money now than later. Having been in the industry myself, I would've gladly taken a higher minimum wage so that the workforce as a whole benefits rather than a few.
I still remember the very first thing Trump said in the debate in August of 2015.
"Only Rosie O'Donnell"
Is Big Dumb Patriot the same as Big Dumb American? I've been off FP for a while. Cuz uh... if he is, I'm... disappointed.
Do people not remember that the DNC actively pushed for Trump to have more airtime OVER Bernie, in order to minimise Bernie's presence, and attempt to show how ridiculous Trump was in comparison to Hilary? (which then only made Trump look more legitimate)
I don't remember it being necessarily over Bernie..? I remember the Pied Piper strategy email.
yes
Yeah, the Clinton camp amplified Trump's messaging, as well as the MSM.
Check this out as well
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html
Didn't Trump win because you guys had a horribly outdated voting system instead of people not voting? I fail to see how Bernie affected the result significantly when it was Hillary who won the actual popular vote at the end, just fucked over by your system.
You should blame your country's system in this case instead of blaming the one who actually wanted to help it imo.
@Big Dumb Patriot , the Russians seized on a political battle to interfere with the USA. You're saying that because Bernie participated in democracy and ran a campaign, which (as every campaign does) created a political battle, which the Russians used to attack us.
None of that has anything to fucking do with Bernie. You're saying the best route is to have no political battles and just fucking have one person who runs so the Russians can't soal anything.
Only some full time employees had the stock bonus, but all of the part time associates that is a huge vast of Amazon's workforce got the raise.
He's just regurgitating "hot takes" I've been seeing on pro-Hilary twitter accounts.
So BDA.
Who are you voting for in the 2020 elections then?
Why are you taking this negative stance on something that the Dems should not have done in hindsight?
Why are you shitting on the one man with enough balls to be the best president we've had since fucking Obama?
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