Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run
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I mean, we've only had one since Obama, there are better presidents out there
but being better than Trump and quite a number of presidents before Obama is also not hard at all. We have had some seriously shitty luck.
Trump ran on an anti status quo, anti establishment platform. Bernie ran on the same platform but got fucked by the Democratic party bureaucracy. Bernie's worker focused rhetoric along with popular policies make him literally the IDEAL candidate to defeat Trump because he's Trump without the racism, corporate pandering and he's willing to engage with people.
Bernie is my top pick but the age is an issue. However I'm confident he wouldn't run if he didn't feel well enough to do it. Also he needs to explain why he picked Tad Devine as campaign manager.
damn didnt expect to see bda have such a meltdown, looks like hes gone right off the deep end.
Bernie is an amazing guy who PULLS. But he is just so old now, he needs a protege who is much younger.
Bernie addresses the problems that Trump supporters are afraid of and he actually does it well.
He's one of the few politicians, I think, who truly understand that he represents and is responsible for all of his constituents, not just those that voted for or like him.
He's already mentioned in a previous topic that he's rooting for Biden. Make of that what you will.
Can I also say right now that right after the Election, Bernie was running town halls in rural West Virginia and other coal states trying to bring attention to opioid epidemic ravaging their towns and states.
While we need medicare for all, there needs to be even stronger pushes towards healthier lifestyles to aide against avoidable conditions.
Removal of recess from younger grades, and the lack of required physical education courses (that actually use the word "physical") are reasons for this. Dressing out for PE and sitting on the bleachers with your phone isn't doing anyone any favors. Being required to do that one year does even less.
He should just shave it off, to be honest. It’d take a couple of years off his face, so to speak. That’s what I’ll do when my hair gets to that point
What a dead comrade.
I would never allowed the people of my country to have it. -Funny Valentine
The best president we've had since Obama is a pretty low bar considering that the only president we've had since Obama is Trump lol.
Simply put, I'll vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination, even if it's Bernie. I don't like Bernie, clearly. I think that there are infinitely better candidates either already announced or likely to announce. I think he took advantage of Russia's attacks against our democracy to boost his campaign, and I have some serious questions about the links between his campaign and Paul Manafort. But if he wins the nomination in the primaries, I will absolutely vote for him over anybody that the Republicans put up, because the GOP has done all that and worse these last several years.
Literally how would he have known at the time he announced he would be entering the race? What? This implies that somebody told him about those attacks to 'boost his own campaign' and that's just not how I see him rolling. He's an incredibly principled figure -- it would be bizarre to see him just throw those principles away on a whim to run for President. Nobody had even the faintest inkling who would be the Republican nominee at the time he entered. Ostensibly, he entered the primaries because nobody else would run against Clinton -- which would irk the man who dislikes cronyism and big business lobbying.
Me too. Chief among them: Who got Devine onto the campaign? If it was Stone, we know exactly how and why he got onto the campaign -- and how Sanders could've been completely oblivious to this all the same.
You have a genuinley worrying obession with the Russian interference. There are other huge issues in America too, yknow, issues that directly effect millions of people.
To be fair, we're not going to solve those issues while we have a literal Russian puppet in the most powerful office in the country.
BDA's issue is more that he's gotten angrier and angrier and now he's so angry that he blames Bernie Sanders of all people for Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Are you seriously accusing Bernie fuckin Sanders of weaponizing Russian Interference against the election process
God's sake, I'm not accusing Bernie Sanders of knowingly colluding with Russia lol. I'm just saying that he took advantage of the rift they created and the propaganda they pushed because it benefited him. Even though he likely had no clue whatsoever as to the origins, he saw the cracks in the unity of a political party that he's not even a part of, and helped them grow. For the record, I think Hillary Clinton did just as much, if not more, damage. There were no winners in the 2016 election, and I believe that every player in that fucked up game needs to disappear from politics forever.
Do you believe that any politician in the world trying to be elected president wouldnt have taken advantage of that?
Key addendum: any politician who wasn't aware at the time of what the Russians were doing.
From Bernie's perspective, it was literally just an opportunity to launch a campaign and lead the country in the way he thinks it should go.
Literally all of the blame for Russian interference lies with the Russians and those who knowingly colluded with them.
Does it honestly matter? He was, in my opinion, a divisive force, rather than a unifying one. That may how the game was played: it cannot be how it is any longer. It is critical to the future of our nation that the Democratic field in 2020 be a unified force, not a divisive one. We have to learn from our mistakes.
The DNC and Hillary deciding to fuck Bernie over were the ones who divided the DNC.
You honestly don't seem to know shit about Bernie if you think he ran a divisive campaign.
This is another terrible argument hawked by establishment Democrats. "Unity unity unity." Notice they never say "we need to unify around left-wing political priorities like strong labor rights, healthcare, and clean elections," (which is what the majority of Americans support) it's always "unify around our shitty centrist politics that ultimately change nothing because we're in power and we said so, chumps." Democratic party disunity was solely caused by them not representing their constituents. You can cry about Russian hacking all you want, but I think the greater problem was that there was dirt for them to find in the first place. The fuck he was divisive, he's running a campaign against a primary opponent. Is he supposed to hold hands with them?
How do you envision a unified primary election? Isn't the whole point to have the candidates compete over who's the best choice?
You have gotten so lost in the last 3 years that it is jarring.
Bernie did nothing to divide anyone.
He awakened a whole new demographic of voters.
He pushed for policies that no one else did, with passion no one else had.
He ignited a grassroots movement that we have not seen in some time in modern politics.
Policies that he brought out in his campaign are now going to be huge talking points in the 2020 election, with or without his presence.
When all was said and done in 2016, he even rallied his base, many of which fervently hated Clinton for good reason, to get behind her.
For as much as you talk about the election and politics, you seemed to have missed a pretty important chunk of it.
Who do you propose as an alternative then??
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html
Apparently endorsing your Primary opponent after they win the Candidacy is a divisive strategy, and we should instead uh, not have primaries I guess.
So you're suggesting that Sanders should have just sat down and bit his tongue whilst the DNC blatantly pushed on their shill candidate?
He already threw his weight behind clinton after he lost, ffs. He was calling for unity and for people to vote for clinton because winning the election was more important in his mind than losing to trump because people didn't like voting for clinton. Guess what, people didnt listen and stayed away from the vote instead, so trump made blue states go red and won. Granted it was only because of the shitty electoral college and that he lost the popular vote, but the popular vote doesnt matter in this case, only the college did. So if nothing else the people who stayed away from the polls are equally to blame for the mess, otherwise trump would've still lost despite the uninspired campaign hitlery ran.
Yea, Like he becoming thing he dislikes the most.
What the fuck do you think primaries are for? Are you saying that Democrat candidates should just bite their tongues and not say anything that might go against the party's platform because anything else is "divisive?" That the problem with Bernie was that he didn't keep his disagreements to himself and tow the party line?
You realize that this is literally the biggest thing we criticize the GOP for, right? Going along with whatever the party says regardless of whether or not you think it's good for the country simply because it's your "team" and beating the "other guys" is all that matters?
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