This Presidential Candidate Wants to Give Every Adult $1,000 a Month
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If the minimum wage was increased then ALL wages would have to increase in line with that. That employers have convinced their employees that an increased minimum wage will hurt them is the most disgusting thing I've seen. It's just a way to turn the working class on each other to distract them from the fact that business owners are stealing the life from their own employees.
So other people getting a raise to below your salary is bad because you wouldn't get an even higher salary?
The fuck dude
I live in our capitol city and split a 500 eur (not including utilities) rent with my girlfriend. You guys should just move to this country, the tax and pay is shit in comparison but we have free education and healthcare and everything is super cheap apparently.
Yes because then I would expect my wage to be raised equally as much.
Again, me being in a position having a Bachelor degree and a trade degree making only two dollars more than minimum would piss anyone off.
Guess what bud, you're getting ripped off. Right now. You should be pissed today, not in a hypothetical future where it becomes more obvious how much you're getting ripped off. You should be pissed right now.
Generally speaking wage must increase across the board for better quality of life for all citizens. Apart from that, your level of education and your wage are two very spearate things in reality and if you haven't accepted that yet at this point then it's time for you to do so now.
The idea as I understand it is essentially based on a heterodox theory of monetary value where some governments can get away with "printing" money for the sake of job creation. Inflationary pressures can be accounted for in part by changes to tax-code.
I don't know what to make of it, but it's a reminder that economics can be a fucking nightmare to study. Some things are impractical to test, and dangerous to implement without testing. Then again, most suggested alternatives (doing nothing) are going to ruin most of our working class lives.
The only part of my job where I feel ripped off is the 300 or so in taxes I'm paying out of my check. Otherwise, my guaranteed 40+ hours, great benefits, and a program that encourages growth within the company sure doesn't make me feel ripped off.
I'm definitely not saying having a degree means I should be paid top dollar - but it should get me in the door at entry level with plenty of growing room at more than a livable wage.
The problem isn't the wage. Right now it's the high cost of living and education. Degrees should guarantee good work, and minimum wage jobs should get you into higher education that shouldn't cost a fortune. Minimum wage jobs also are there to build good experience and work ethic for youth, and companies should see that.
That's great, you're still being underpaid today. And you should be pissed about it. Not to mention the fact that you'd have fantastic leverage to justify a wage raise by saying that McDonald's workers are being paid the same as you. You ignore all of that, and instead say that other people should be held down so that you can feel like you're higher than them, instead of raising yourself and others up.
Here's the truth bud. You're being underpaid. You say you don't feel ripped off, but facts don't care about your feelings. You're in the slime pits like the rest of us, but you just think you aren't.
Sounds simple but moving to a European country without learning the local language seems sketchy in terms of every day life and finding a job.
broke: people shouldn't make more money because i think i'm better than them
woke: everyone should make more money because people have been getting paid less and less over time due to inflation and no one deserves to be fucked over by CEOs
It's some real galaxy brain level shit to think you deserve more than someone because you worked harder to end up at exactly the same place, what do you think fucking "entry level" means
I can't wait for hyperinflation!
God is visiting Hell and the Devil is showing him around. God sees two cauldrons with boiling pitch and sinners, one covered with a grate and guarded by many imps, the other completely unguarded. He asks the Devil about the difference.
The Devil says, "the first one is for Jews. As soon as one grabs ahold of the rim, the rest help him out, he then pulls another out, if you're not careful they will all escape in mere minutes".
"And the other cauldron?" asks the Lord. "The other one is for Russians. As soon as one grabs ahold of the rim, the others say, 'you think you deserve better than us, huh?' and pull him back inside".
one way to tell you have a warped worldview? check to see if you're literally a punchline
Almost everyone speaks english here I get you though, it was mostly in jest.
the next town over McDonald's has starting pay at $17 here, so maybe google 'standard of living' and 'maturity'
If you hadnt been fucked before you were even born and society had gone the way that even fucking Richard Nixon thought it would, you would likely be making more money and be working less than half the hours.
Late reply but its a similar issue where I am. Our county vocational schools generally cater to high school students and early 20's with some night classes available to other adults, but my county in particular has some two year programs in trending professions such as construction, nursing, mechanics, and so on. Other counties don't even have that much which is appalling, but their community colleges have some trade degrees/certificates. (You're from NJ too, Brookdale comes to mind.) Vocational schools are typically just used to keep the "non-college bound" students out of sight which is depressing.
I was lucky enough to attend in my senior year and the year after graduating and get the certificate, experience as well as pay less so I at least have my foot in the door with some contractors.
It was still $3000 for just one year which is as much as college semester but frankly I got almost jack shit out of it, so I agree there as well.
Yo wtf, this is it right here.
The fucking point is that EVERY job should be more than a livable wage.
You realize the raising up of those less fortunate than you, doesn't make you less fortunate in any way, shape, or form right?
This is literally an illogical thought process predicated on "if they're succeeding, I must be losing". It's zero sum bullshit.
I'm genuinely curious on how this would affect the economy in the first year, fifth year, etc...
I am never gonna understand this entire argument
That money isn't just gonna disappear. Poor people don't just take their cash home and hide it in their mattress. People gotta pay rent. People gotta buy food. People gotta pay for their utilities, their internet, cell service, heat, water, power. They gotta pay for gas. They gotta fix their car. They gotta buy clothes. They gotta buy shoes. They gotta buy coats. They gotta pay for coffee. They gotta tip the waiter
All that money isn't just disappearing into a network of tax havens like ten billion dollars in Amazon profits. It's going straight back into the economy, and it gets spread around a lot more than it does than if you just give Apple another few billion in tax breaks.
And on top of that I understand it even less because it frees up a much more valuable economic resource which is time. The biggest reason people aren't going out and spending money is nobody has time. You gotta keep a roof over your head. There's only time for the necessities, and working for shit pay at a shit job makes it just that much harder to keep those necessities covered. More money for your time means you can spend fewer hours busting your ass just to keep a roof over your head. It means you can have time for shit like hobbies, and entertainment. People with more time and money are gonna do stuff with their time and money. They're gonna go see movies with their friends. They're gonna go to restaurants. They're gonna go drink. They're gonna go party. They're gonna go shop for stuff that isn't strictly the bare necessities. A better couch, a better bed, a bigger TV, a faster computer, a better car, a mechanical keyboard, a giant owl plush, a bunch of books, shelves to put the books on, a bunch of models, anime figurines, video games, baling wire, PVC pipe, brass tubing, bongs, weed, aloe vera, water bottles, fancy running shoes, tea pots, fancy teas to brew in them, forty pounds of honey to start a homebrewing project, a few hundred pounds of lumber to build a gazebo and a shed, a big fancy tool box for their truck, zebra print seat covers for their Brand Name Sports Car, aftermarket parts for it, a new set of kitchen knives, a really spiffy crockpot, a big leather massage chair
All this shit sounds great for a healthy economy. It sure sounds better for a healthy economy than actual millions of people living below the poverty line with absolutely no safety net and being 1-2 emergencies away from total financial ruin. It sure sounds a hell of a lot better than everyone being six payments behind on this that or the other debt because of the loan they took because they couldn't afford anything because they're getting paid shit despite working fifty hours a week and sixty when they can get away with getting paid under the table because it's still not enough
Is my understanding of economics just that piss poor? What's the actual reason inflation will just up and skyrocket?
Because it increasingly seems to me like it's mostly just large corporations threatening to jack up the price of living if their bottom line and market share is threatened, effectively holding us all hostage for the sake of the profit margin
Does anyone know if there's truth to the idea that the reason it works this way is because the USA basically subsidizes the health care of other countries by doing the vast majority of development of new drugs? As in the other countries benefit while Americans pay for it.
Few points here, first the R&D costs of drugs have increased tenfold since 1979, after accounting for inflation.
The US does 48% of development on new drugs (as of August 2012 numbers), not a vast majority. There's a steady decline in % of drugs developed by US companies.
Europe, despite having roughly the same results for drugs brought to market and 2 times less drugs developed, it spends 5 times less on budgeting.
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/health_glance-2017-72-en.pdf?expires=1550740489&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=16F96877C92927BFCCA6E4F1F37F9B21
https://www.ohe.org/system/files/private/publications/380%20-%20R%26D%20Cost%20NME%20Mestre-Ferrandiz%202012.pdf?download=1
This was partially true when drug were made as permanent cures decades ago. Now pharma companies use american tech and still mostly american scientists (not for long) but build tax havens and test beds elsewhere and there been a gigantic shift in treating symptoms rather than treating cures and a great deal of that is taking place over seas, where it's cheaper to develop and then charge americans a shit ton more for living with a condition permanently rather than getting huge revenue spikes and then massive fall offs from active permanent cures. Pharmacorps are the poster child of 'global conglomerate' and the reason for that is no one country has the power to impose taxes tariffs and fines to the entire entity, not because they're closer to a fabrication or ingredient source or streamlining a pipeline of treatment.
UBI has never added up for me, it feels like a great idea but if you do even the most basic calculations it doesn't seem possible. If this money was tax free, in the US there are 250m+ adults. That's nearly 3 trillion dollars a year, the federal budget was 4 trillion last I checked. It all seems to be based on wild what ifs.
this is just another way of keeping capitalism's shambling corpse walking on without actually tackling the structures behind it.
there'd still be fundamental inequality of power, just with everyone getting some money to feel better about it. basically bread and circuses.
Dude, seriously not to brag, but from the moment I began my studies (so basically only high school and a short course), I’ve been able to work at a base wage of 23$/h, which only increases with evening and night shifts, as well as overtime that pays twice that. I can work as many hours as I want (basically) or as little as I want. Obviously I might live in a more expensive area, and this is good for Denmark, but regardless:
You’re being ripped off, and it’s not the taxes. My friend who works as a server has a base wage higher than yours, and she’s asking for a raise.
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