That's dumb. You might not like Corbyn but how can you possibly say he's no better than May?
Aside from the pathetic brexit position (or lack thereof) Labour policies are great. You've let the Tory media bamboozle you mate.
Yeah Labour is infinitely better than Tories, I agree, and I would have them over the Conservatives at any day and any moment.
But what I'm saying is, he fucking let everyone down.
He's just saying 'get a better deal, get a better deal' over and over, when it's clear as day that it's impossible to get it. Maybe he's playing his cards and trying to make May look incompetent but it's all clearly not working. He could have fought and back for a second referendum and gotten major support from all younger voter bases, and even some older ones - especially when it's becoming evident that Brexit is an awful thing, day after day.
He couldn't even beat TMay in a general election that was wholly mismanaged by her campaign manager. Should tell you how well his policies have resonated with voters. Expectations for him must have been garbage if he couldn't even depose the current Tory government.
I absolutely believe Labour would win more voters if they had a Blairite leader. Blair was able to win healthy majority governments in each general election. New Labour wasn't pursuing deregulation, privatisation and a policy of austerity that the Tory government have been pursuing since they came to power. Only thing that saved us from that happening immediately in 2010 was the Lib Dems curtailing David C.
Pardon me for saying this over and over but there is more to this country than Brexit and this sort of tunnel vision only aids in serving us another ten years of shit policy essentially no different to that we’ve suffered since 2010.
Maybe when we elect a shite ‘pro eu centrist party’ they’ll distract us from changing literally nothing by throwing in another gay marriage type deal every couple of years to keep you under the kosh.
God, I have mixed feelings about that upcoming party. Don't get me wrong, I do try and focus on other things aside from Brexit like rising poverty and homelessness, cuts to various social services (police, firemen, NHS, etc.), rising poor working conditions, stressful education systems for kids and young teens...
But leaving the EU is like, after getting all these growing holes in your body, you're about to stab yourself in the head with a working jackhammer. It's kind of difficult to ignore it and not be so worried about it.
No, there really isn't more to this country than Brexit. Brexit is the linchpin that has caused all political process to grind to a halt. You can't expect 40 years worth of EU embedded policy to not dominate the political agenda. You'll not be able to enable socialist policies under a Labour government when the country is haemorrhaging money from loss of taxable income from lost trade.
This is misleading.
1) Blaire's Labour had Scottish Labour
2) The decline in popularity of Labour was due to the Tories successfully pinning the 2008 disaster on them
3) When Corbyn replaced Milliband labour increased it's share of the vote
I’m a pretty staunch remainer so you don’t need to give me whatever your standard anti brexiteer points are.
If we’re taking exclusively brexit now and not corbyns ability to implement change, then I struggle to understand what you think the Labour Party should do.
Supporting a second referendum isn’t going to magically stop brexit. They don’t have the numbers even if the MPs were whipped into it. I would love to know what the internet remain bubbles magic solution is to all of this.
Just like how it also lost 350 million a week which was going to go back to the NHS right?
The fact of the matter is, Brexit was first and foremost a political weapon. it wasn't any more, or any less. Fucking Cameron, who came up with it, didn't even think it was going to win. But through some miracle of propaganda, it did. but instead of actually accepting the EU's offer to just forget about it, they decided to go full steam ahead with it because muh british pride and muh referendum not needing to be redone without even a proper majority.
Labour presenting some actionable policy on Brexit would be good for starters. They're as nebulous as the Tories are on what policy they want to pursue. Labour's six tests or Corbyn's five demands in his letter to TMay aren't policy, they're wishlists. This has to start with JCo.
What I want to see answered:
Single market membership or not. If no, then what is the solution to regulatory alignment. If there's a divergence of regulatory standards, then: 1) How are these regulatory divergences going to be accounted for? Mutual recognition agreements? 2) If MRAs, then how will MRAs be given oversight - need a UK regulatory authority to be established, which will cost money. 3) How will manufacturers and service providers be compensated for having to produce goods or offer services that will have to be applied to two standards, and the incurred cost of having to provide two of the same thing?
Customs Union membership - yes or no? If no, what infrastructure arrangements are planned to facilitate the checking of customs? This is particularly pertinent here in Northern Ireland, more for the wider social implications of ensuring there's no hard border. JCo saying he wants "a customs union" with the EU is not the same thing.
How can the financial fallout of loss of access to the world's largest trading bloc facilitate socialist policies through taxable income?
How will Labour facilitate migration from EU and non-EU states? What infrastructure or mechanism will be in place and how much will that cost?
The Tories haven't answered any of these questions, so if I'm to take Labour seriously as an alternative government, then they need to offer some clarity.
This is the big problem with the Labour party currently. A large portion of the people they represent have been completely ignored and are disenfranchised - These people are going to remember that, and what's the point in voting for either party if they aren't going to listen to you?
We were just getting out of the whole 'what's the point of voting? It's not going to change anything,' mentality with the youth. Corbyn's decision is going to make us go all the way back.
Hahaha holy shit not even a day yet and already one of them has said some racist shit.
Independent Group hit by racism row after Angela Smith's comment..
Ahhh you beat me to it.
Labour's Rupa Huq MP said: “They claim their new Party is anti racist and modern yet in the same breath describe black, Asian and minority ethnic people as having 'a funny tinge'.
"This is, at best, the casual racism of the 70s that I thought we’d long left behind. But it will strike many as an appalling, racist comment. Is the Independent Group going to investigate?"
Shots fired ahahaha. Angela Smith's apology video is weird because she starts off by saying "I have seen the clip from politics live" as if she wasn't actually there saying it.
To be fair, if you look at the voting record of this lot you start to wonder why they were in the Labour party at all.
Most of them abstained from voting, or actually supported, Conservative Austerity measures- and I'm fairly sure they abstained from May's "deport now hear appeals later" legislation.
Whatever their stated reasons it's pretty clear that these aren't compassionate moderates terrified by Labour's corruption by the spooky leftists, or sensible centrists upset by Corbyn's brexit stance.
It's been less than a day and the super cool new centrist party is already dealing with a huge blunder hours after it's inception.
well that party didn't last long
I admittedly don’t know much about the whole anti-semitism thing within the UK Labour party and the UK left in general, but from what I’ve seen, even *left-wing* jews don’t really feel at home anymore there. And to me, it feels wrong to tell them, as a non-jewish person, what is anti-semitism and what isn’t. It’s good that a proper left-wing guy like Corbyn became popular, but from what I’ve gathered his response to all this has been very weak. Is there really no other proper social democrat who can be the leader of Labour?
https://twitter.com/heidibachram/status/1096836834649362435?s=21
There have been several inquiries for some years and it's been concluded that Labour is no more anti-Semitic than any other party in mainstream politics. Corbyn reached out to some Jews last year and sat down with them to talk about Jewish culture and history and he shat on because they were left wing Jews and not right wing. He's heavily against funding Saudi Arabia, the worst anti Semitic state in the world which funds extremist groups throughout the entire world when the Tories and Labour right are heavily in bed with them.
The bollocks keeps popping up because of criticism against Israel. So far the Met Police has investigated the party and yet again nothing out of the ordinary is turning up.
This is really the recurrent conflation that prevents any sort of constructive dialogue. At this point it has to be wilful ignorance that critics can't determine the difference between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. Or rather, regardless of anti-Zionism, the aggressive policies of the Israeli state.
Jesus, this was originally going to be a bit more apocalyptic apparently
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/30-mps-labour-independent-group
As things stand this will probably be minimal damage for Labour. 7 MPs is complete dog shit and the reports that some Tory MPs will join them soon will just make it less worse.
There's also the fact much of the momentum was ruined by the racist shit pretty much instantly.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1097626773016186880?s=09
where were you when party system was kill?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1097637184235077633?s=21
And here new national poll already come out today and seems highly likely referencing to The Independent Group. But still overall, due of the UK still have that crappy voting system, they are most likely now the cause for the Conservative win than Lib Dems now.
By the time elections roll round these sorry lot will be forgotten, back in Labour or de selected.
With a small chance either they joined the SNP or Liberal Democrats for remaining members, If they strictly will never go back as Labour.
Either that or these shit-fisting spunkgoblins will have divided the voting lines of people who are anti-conservative but "not left enough" to vote current Labour meaning the Conservatives win because of their divisionism. Politics is such a fucking stupid mug's game.
The less blairites and centrists in the labour part the better, There was a time when labour was *the* party which stood for socialism and represented the working class, Not as a party of bourgeois and careerist middle wankers who believe in nothing.
God forbid a so called leftist party has a left wing leader.
I really dislike this response. I'm all for the war against misinformation but this sudden leap to 'YOU'VE BEEN DECEIVED. WAKE UP SHEEPLE' is absurd. I think Corbyn is better than May, but I still dislike him, and I have no intention of voting for a party led by the current Corbyn because I struggle to see him as a competent leader, which is exactly what is needed after the shambles we've had to endure during the reign of Ms May. Not everyone votes against the popular left-wing candidate solely because they've been brainwashed by articles on Facebook.
If you don't vote labour then you're helping the tories continue with the campaign of austerity.
It's a shit system but you gotta be pragmatic and vote tactically. I don't like Corbyn but he's better than May and that's all I need to vote for him. If the pill of voting for Corbyn is too bitter than don't vote for him, vote for Labour policies instead.
You don't vote (or vote for another party which will just form a coalition with the tories like Lib Dems or these new "centrist" assholes) then you are supporting the status quo, you're expressing contentment with keeping things the same shitty way they are.
Only nuance to this would be if you're in a Labour or Tory stronghold where you vote is useless anyway, but even then vote Labour because Brexit has shaken things up.
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